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Cedric

03-13-2006 01:37:21




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I have always been under the impression that the impulse coupling lag of 35° on a H4 magneto equates to the spark advance when operating at normal speed. Is this correct ?
Some time ago I installed a battery ignition unit to my 1943 "H" and am wondering how the spark advance compares with the magneto and whether there would be any difference in power output.
Any info" would be much appreciated.
Sid.

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John T

03-13-2006 08:41:15




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 Re: To the electrical experts in reply to Cedric, 03-13-2006 01:37:21  
Cedric, I dont know beans about an IH mag but have knowledge concerning other brands and am well versed in theory so have a few thoughts that may or may not answer your question, take it for what its worth.

First, on about all mags Im familair with, its true the drive cup degrees (like 25 to 35 etc) determines where she fires at RUN RPM, therefore, a 35 cup runs at 35 BTDC once the impulse drops out still dependant on (if any) any rotational mag timing settings. On JD and other tractors that were capable of running on distillate or drip fuel etc., those 35 degree cups were about right at RPM. HOWEVER for running on gasoline its my opinion 35 degrees of advance is too much, therefore, they used say a cup having only 25 degrees of advance. If the mag has the capability of retarding the run timing by a rotational location (like on the JD Wico C n X mags Im used to), then if I used a 35 degree cup when using gasoline I would retard the run timing. Best to just use a 25 degree cup if available.

The advantage of a distributor with centrigugal advance curve is the ability to start at TDC then advance the timing relative to RPM with a slow gradual advance relative to RPM versus ONLY the start or run time available on a mag. Therefore, a distributor may show improved performance but it depends on at what RPM a dyno might be used. If at full RPM a mag was running at 25 advance and a distributor were at 25 then also, not much difference OTHER THEN a batery powered coil ignition likely has more spark energy then a mag. Where a distributor shines is at low lugging RPM when the tracotr needs the best spark, the mags energy drops off (cuz of less RPM) PLUS since it has no variation, its still firing at the full advance.

Sooooo oo, the spark advance of a mag is at full advance (and the full 35 if a 35 cup is used)regardless of RPM once the impulse drops out which is at a very low RPM like 250 or so VERSUS the distributor which starts at TDC also, but then advances the timing more at more RPM as it should.

Ole John T, retired electrical engineer NOT an IH mag man.

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gene bender

03-13-2006 04:43:49




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 Re: To the electrical experts in reply to Cedric, 03-13-2006 01:37:21  
Your mag starts on tdc before going to the 35 deg when the engine runs. The dist can be set to have inital advance then go as a curve till it reaches the 33deg. Now if you have the machine that will check out the dist. you could set the curve higher and even increase the advance by changing springs and the wts.



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the tractor vet

03-13-2006 07:24:24




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 Re: To the electrical experts in reply to gene bender, 03-13-2006 04:43:49  
Yes you can increase the advance on the dist BUT guess what you will lose bottom end that is why they droped the total advance back on the dist. as there was and update kit they brought out to drop them back to around 28 degrees this is not a drag race engine where going up on advance helps ya your sorta have to think in reverse on a working engine to get better performance. took me a couple years to figure that out as my trial and error tuning to get the most out of and engine in the field. or even on the pullen track.

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