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John, OH

03-08-2006 16:41:02




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I have a Super MTA that has no fenders and good sheet metal. It needs paint, hour meter shows 2000 hours, and the hour meter actually works. It is an original hour meter. The TA works fine. Just kind of curious what they are going for in this condition.




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mathcop

03-10-2006 19:50:55




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to John, OH, 03-08-2006 16:41:02  
I would like to provide you guys with some facts about the auction near Mound City, MO on February 18th where the Super MTA Diesel was sold.

My father purchased this tractor for a hefty price of $10,300. Yes, I know that is a ton of money for a 52 year old tractor but there are a number of reasons that influenced this purchase.

1. This tractor was only 30 miles from where he lives. He does not have any means to transport this tractor as we do not have a trailer. This same tractor purchased 500 miles from home would have added $1,000 (at $2 a loaded mile) to the purchase price in order to pay someone to haul it home.

2. This tractor had new sleeves and pistons installed in the early 1990's and had less than 100 hours since this engine overhaul. I have not priced sleeves and pistons for a diesel, but my dad has recently gone through an M, Super M and Super H and with sleeves, pistons, bearings, gaskets, cylinder head work, etc. and you can easily have $2,000 to $3,000 in parts and machine work. This does not include any labor for assembly because he does that himself.

3. The mechanic that worked on the injection pump to get the tractor running again after setting for the last 4 years is a friend of our family and a reputable individual. He grew up 3 miles down the road from the gentleman that owned this tractor and knew the owner and that the tractor was in excellent mechanical shape.

4. The tractor was a complete original. The T/A is sound. It has all of the original lights and they all work. The sheet metal is straight. To finish this tractor it will need a new battery box, wiring harness, brakes, tires and paint.

The point I hope to make is that there are a number of factors that contributed to the price of this specific tractor. Not the least of which, was the gentleman from North Dakota that helped push the price from $8,000 to $10,300, as there were only two bidders during this range.

Overall appearance, location, and verifiable details regarding the condition of this particular tractor has more to do with the price of this tractor than the mere fact that it is a Super MTA Diesel. A tractor of lesser condition would have obviously brought a lower price.

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Dank

03-09-2006 16:29:22




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to John, OH, 03-08-2006 16:41:02  
I have a Farmall S MTA Diesel for sale. Runs excellent.



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RFP

03-09-2006 06:06:21




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to John, OH, 03-08-2006 16:41:02  
The Super M-TA is the first IH tractor with live pto, live hydraulics and TA and only made on year is why they will bring what they do. If I was in the market for on I don"t think 5k would be out of line for a unrestred tractor. I have stood with my hands in my pockets at a sale because it was 500 to high and then spend 500 in gas looking for another one. Or then go out on the town and blow a 100 and have nothing to show for that 100.

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Dave H (MI)

03-08-2006 19:47:20




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to John, OH, 03-08-2006 16:41:02  
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John - You can listen to the debate all night if you want. I have seen a lot of guys really getting juiced up over some MTAD that was apparently sold for five figures a while back. There is always a group that want to drive up prices. I own a nice MTA and have all the reason in the world to want the value to go up, but I don't think they really have jumped all that much. If you look at the photo ads all you will learn is what the dreamers are asking. I see them on there in the 3K range now and again and they usually sell. Best barometer of value is ebay. Search on there for your answers but only look for tractors that actually sold AND have feedback indicating the check came. Nice unrestored MTA that is complete (fenders, lights, etc) and working TA and remotes, live hydraulics, etc still seems to bring +/- $4000 for a nice one.

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dogonewild

03-09-2006 17:48:31




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to Dave H (MI), 03-08-2006 19:47:20  
I bought a SMTA about 5 years ago. Paid 4200 bucks for it in Columbia KY off of a dairy farm. Nice piece but I crammed a 700 horse small chevy in it and ruined it. Turned into a nice puller thou. My opinion is that alot of people are wish full thinkers and most priced over 5000 to 5500 dont sale quickly and when they do it must be a emaculate tractor.



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John S-B

03-08-2006 18:16:04




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to John, OH, 03-08-2006 16:41:02  
John just look thru the classifieds here and you will see a few advertised over a couple of weeks. The photo ads are good for showing the general condition. Btw what part of Oh. are you in? I'm in west Delaware co.



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BIG JOHN

03-08-2006 17:37:47




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to John, OH, 03-08-2006 16:41:02  
Hang on to your hat. As I reported a couple weeks ago I watched a SMD-TA sell at a farm auction near Mound City, Mo. It was fresh out of the barn after setting for several years. Color was rust. NF, good tin, good TA, ran good, tires were shot but held air, good rims, Behlen PS (ugly), draw bar & hoop, good IPTO. $10,400. Keep in mind it was a diesel but that was the top that I have ever seen.

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Bud W

03-08-2006 17:20:04




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to John, OH, 03-08-2006 16:41:02  
Wow ,I don't know where some of these guys are getting running SMTA's in any condition for $1500 to $3000. I agree you could find a decent one 5 yrs ago for $2500 when a restored one was going for $4500 but tractor prices have shot up in recent yrs. If you have a wide front and everything works well but it needs tires and paint you should be able to get $4000 and maybe $4500. A real nice restored one will be up in the $8000 range. I know a bunch of guys will say thats a crazy price to pay and they are the same guys that said people were crazy for paying $3000 a few years ago have now missed out on the appreciation. Besides unless you have the time , skill and don't value your time you will easily pay north of $8000 for a professional restoration'

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arod

03-08-2006 17:07:10




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to John, OH, 03-08-2006 16:41:02  
well, in my opinion the TA is not a selling point as they go out so commonly. So I lump them in the Super M category. And I suppose I'd pay no more than $1500 for a running Super M, in non-restored condition.

If you had new or rebuilt everything, I am talking gaskets, belts, hoses, carb, distributor, battery, thermostat, head rebuild, sleeves and pistons, paint, etc... then It should bring in $2,500-$3,000

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CNKS

03-08-2006 17:31:19




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to arod, 03-08-2006 17:07:10  
arod, like it or not the TA is why it is a Super MTA. TA's are repairable, the repairs are no more expensive than fixing anything else on the tractor, just one more thing to fix. The TA, along with the independent pto is why MTA's will likely bring 2 or 3 times, or more than the amount of a Super M in the same condition. It does not have to make sense.



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Bud W

03-08-2006 18:14:08




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to CNKS, 03-08-2006 17:31:19  
Right on. Some folks value this old tractors as " working tractors" which is fine if thats your purpose for buying. I saw muscle cars at the Barrett Jackson fetch more than a million dollars but they are not being bought to bring home the groceries. Logical or not collectors will pay what it takes for what they want



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Janicholson

03-08-2006 17:27:42




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to arod, 03-08-2006 17:07:10  
Sorry Arod, no offense, but I think you are 2500 off the mark on both as is, and finished. They sell for much more than a 400/450. I also disagree with your analysis of the TA, it is what makes these tractors so incredible. (my two cents)
JimN



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BillyinStoughton

03-09-2006 07:33:32




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to Janicholson, 03-08-2006 17:27:42  
Your assesments on the SMTA values are pretty darn close I think. I still see a lot of them come up for sale here in Southern WI, and I can tell you this...straight out of the field with good tin is still going to cost you $2500. The best price I have ever seen an SMTA move for was $1400 a few years back (with a bad T/A), but that was still a steal in my opinion.

I don"t understand why the joy lever gets such a bad rap. When you replace a clutch, you rebuild the T/A, simple as that. Even in heavy useage the T/A is still a reliable unit...not to mention it"s benefits.

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the tractor vet

03-08-2006 17:23:56




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to arod, 03-08-2006 17:07:10  
Welll first off ya had better clean your sights off and eaise you elevation about thre or four clicks as you have not been keeping up with prices on S/MTA 's as what they have been bring at sales even though you maynot like them or you think that the T/A has no value but i will tell ya this it will take a bunch more to buy mine as i have already turned down more the twice your best.



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IaGary

03-08-2006 17:21:52




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 Re: Super MTA value in reply to arod, 03-08-2006 17:07:10  
Around here one with that few of hours would bring $3000 with no problem at an auction.
They are not as plentiful as a M or Super M.
I would buy any you have for $1500.
Maybe not worth that to you or me but to others that are wanting one they will bring $3000.
Just me 2 cents worth.



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