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Rick Paramino

03-08-2006 07:55:31




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I have a Farmall M with a froze engine. Dows anyone have any answers to how to un freeze it.




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John A.

03-08-2006 20:21:13




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 Re: Froze Engine in reply to Rick Paramino, 03-08-2006 07:55:31  
Rick, Get the head , gas tank, and all surpurlas stuff off you M. Get all flammable liquids away too. If possoble, roll the tractor outside. Now one cylinder at a time pour in agoodly amount of Diesel, then just a small splash of gas and set fire to each cylinder that you know is stuck. The heat from the fire will cause the sleeve to expand so it will more easly break loose. Then just drive out the piston. If the piston is near TDC then you may need to do it a couple or three times to get enough heat to get the piston to loosen up. You should be able to salvage the pistons by doing it this way. Better than than useing a tourch, for the heat is more even. Hope this helps.
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John A.

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James Williams

03-08-2006 14:10:51




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 Re: Froze Engine in reply to Rick Paramino, 03-08-2006 07:55:31  
I have been working on a F20 that has beenstuck for several years,Let it soaked for 6 months to non prevail,took the head off and poured brake fluid into each cylinder and heated the fluid with a torch untill it evaporated,did this twice,then jolted the belt pulley and the cylinders moved,put a bar into the yoke coming out of the clutch housing and started turning it one way and the other and total time of 20 minutes it was turning free

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03-08-2006 10:09:52




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 Re: Froze Engine in reply to Rick Paramino, 03-08-2006 07:55:31  
i had one where i took a double ended pto shaft and coupled it to another tractor,then just bumped the clutch about 4 times..i did take off the headand when it came loose i let it idle and just emptied a can of blaster on the cyl.while they were moving ..worked great!



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MJ in the UK

03-08-2006 09:55:56




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 Re: Froze Engine in reply to Rick Paramino, 03-08-2006 07:55:31  
The way I have freed off a siezed engine several times is to remove the plugs, fill bores with tranny fluid etc. Put the cranking handle in the pulling up position then put a jack under the handle jack up till the front wheels are just clear of the ground. Then have patience and leave the tractor for a week thn go back and see if it has freed off at all. the only damage i have encounted doing this is a broken cranking pin MJ

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Fluggie in IA

03-08-2006 08:47:10




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 Re: Froze Engine in reply to Rick Paramino, 03-08-2006 07:55:31  
Yep! The guys are right, tranny fluid, let 'er sit for a few days, then try to turn 'er over with plugs removed, of course.
If still persistent, we have put 'em in 4th or 5th and rocked 'em back & forth to jar the crank against the push rods with good luck too. Even bolted one direct to the hitch of a truck with automatic tranny and just shifted drive to reverse about 10 times and she popped loose (not highly recommended, tho, this was a last ditch effort)

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Dave_Id

03-08-2006 08:40:37




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 Re: Froze Engine in reply to Rick Paramino, 03-08-2006 07:55:31  
Check the archives on this one. Everyone has their own way of getting an engine loose, and so many of them work. There are many discussions on this subject. I myself had a Farmall C, that was in a flood, sat for a number of years, then I proceeded to get it unstuck. I finally gave up and beat the pistons out along with the sleeves one at a time. Hopefully your M isn't stuck as bad as that was.

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Chris B.

03-08-2006 17:18:40




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 Re: Froze Engine in reply to Dave_Id, 03-08-2006 08:40:37  
That's how I had to deal with my M. Beat 3 pistons out, sleeves stayed in. The last piston, I beat on it, put a hydraulic jack under it, repeated this over 3 or 4 days. Finally, I beat the piston straight down, sleeve moved with it, busted up the sleeve and the piston skirt and pushed the piston back up through the top.



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El Toro

03-08-2006 09:46:25




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 Re: Froze Engine in reply to Dave_Id, 03-08-2006 08:40:37  
That's how I got an A engine apart. Hal
PS: I would use heat if I ever did another one.



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old

03-08-2006 08:33:38




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 Re: Froze Engine in reply to Rick Paramino, 03-08-2006 07:55:31  
I have had very good luck with tranny fluid. Shoot I just got another engine turning the other day useing tranny fluid. After you have let it sit a few days try the starter, use quick taps on the starter button. When your doing so watch the crank pulley and if it turns just a little keep tapping and it will probably pop loose.



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El Toro

03-08-2006 08:09:45




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 Re: Froze Engine in reply to Rick Paramino, 03-08-2006 07:55:31  
Pour transmission fluid into each cylinder and let it soak. You need to be patient. You may need to pull the head and remove the oil pan and use a little persuasion with a big hammer and a block of 2X2 oak on the rods. You should take some closeup pictures too. They will come in handy when it come's time to rebuild the engine.
Keep the parts separated and indentified where they were removed. Hal

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