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NSC

03-06-2006 07:33:02




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I have a 47 M with one way hydraulics on it. I would like to have two way on it but have heard the many problems with pre 1950 tractors breaking cam gears. Is there another way to make two way hydraulics, perhaps changing the type of valve used? I have done some research and found some kits but not sure what they entail, and how they will perform on the tractor, any and all advice is greatly appreciated.

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Marksd

03-08-2006 13:45:44




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 Re: Hydraulics in reply to NSC, 03-06-2006 07:33:02  
Does anyone know if a 1950 M for sure will work with the live power pumps? Evenyone says pre 1950, so I assume that mean 1949 and below. Anything to watchout for?



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Janicholson

03-06-2006 11:44:08




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 Re: Hydraulics Diagram in reply to NSC, 03-06-2006 07:33:02  
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Here is a basic diagram to add to what is stated below.
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Wild Bill

03-06-2006 10:43:50




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 Re: Hydraulics in reply to NSC, 03-06-2006 07:33:02  
The issue that you are talking about refers to putting LIVE hydraulics off of the later super series, and hundred series tractors on h"s and m"s. If you do want to put a live pump on the front of the motor, then yes, breaking cam gears can and will happen unless you also install the front plate and gear out of the donor tractor.

Putting on two way hydraulics is just a matter of adding a two way open center valve (like off of a log splitter, or the original Christmas tree set up), a return to the belly pump reservoir, and the double acting cylinders.

There is a lot of info on two way hydraulic installation in the archives.

HTH Bill

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Nat 2

03-06-2006 10:39:10




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 Re: Hydraulics in reply to NSC, 03-06-2006 07:33:02  
You were researching LIVE hydraulics. They'd still be one-way, but they would operate with the clutch pedal pushed in.

It's not that the cam gear would break, it's that the factory live pump won't even fit on pre-1950 Ms. The front engine cover is different on the newer models.

Two-way hydraulics is a matter of plumbing and the right kind of hydraulic valve. You're looking for an open center, double-acting spool valve such as the Tractor Supply #1820128. Mount that in a convenient locaton where you can easily operate it.

Run a hose from the front pressure port of your belly pump (or the port all by itself on the one side), to the IN on the valve. Run another hose from OUT on the valve to the hydraulic filler tube under the gas tank. You can add a T for the hose, or just plumb it straight in, but keep in mind that you need to tear the system apart to add or check the fluid level if you choose to plumb it straight in.

Now, run two hoses from the work ports on the valve to the rear of the tractor. Add quick-disconnect couplers, and you're done. To operate the system, simply pull the rod for the belly pump valve back and lock it into place, then operate the control lever on the spool valve.

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