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Paul Shuler

03-01-2006 17:21:17




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A few weeks ago I read on the trator talk board a discussion about what to do with dirty oil. There was a lot of good advice but much to my dismay there was a few people that said no matter what the law is they dump theirs on brush or in fence rows. Let me start by saying I'm NOT a tree hugger. The neighbors two house's up from me well went bad around Christmas time. Found out yesterday that there well has been pumping oil and antifreeze milky looking sludge out of the faucet. Now the house next to me is doing the same thing. The DNR has been out and they think they have traced it to a farm nearby that has been dumping his old oil and other fluids in the fence row for years. Now that it is so dry it has found it's way to the water table. It has ruined my two neighbors home's. Plumbing, hot water tank. well, water softner and septic system has been codemed by the DNR. I meet with them tommorow. The DNR man I talked to on the phone said at the least lawyers will be involed and this man may see criminal charges. Please, please don't dump your waste fluids on the ground. In this day and age many places will take it for free. If you wont stop for your neighbors who have to drink your mess at least do it for your kids and grandkids. Let's not leave them a mess. Sorry for ranting
Paul Shuler

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CNKS

03-02-2006 11:55:57




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Paul Shuler, 03-01-2006 17:21:17  
I do dribble a little oil/antifreeze along the fence, but not buckets of it -- 99% goes to the recycler, because I live in a rural subdivision with a lot of wells, 3 within a couple of hundred feet, including mine. But, the wells are about 150 feet to the water table. I don't believe what you see can happen here, but I don't take any chances. I do find it hard to believe that they are actually pumping out real oil and antifreeze, unless your wells are VERY shallow. I would be more worried about the toxic breakdown products getting into the water table that can only be determined by testing at a chemical lab -- Please keep us updated as to the results!

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IHnut

03-02-2006 09:37:19




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Paul Shuler, 03-01-2006 17:21:17  
Makes me wonder??? When I was a kid on the farm we lived on a gravel road and the county sprayed waste oil on the road to keep the dust down.
Ya think anybody will go after them???



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Bob M

03-02-2006 08:35:10




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Paul Shuler, 03-01-2006 17:21:17  
Paul - In our area it is required by law that anyplace selling motor oil must accept and turn over to a recycler used motor oil. Some the "big box" retailers set a reasonable daily limit (typically 3 or 5 gallons). But for the average person it's not a problem.

I collect/store my used oil in covered 5 gallon plastic buckets. When I get several filled up I take 'em to the Advance Auto parts store in town and empty them out.

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While on the subject of spills, back in the early 70's a train wreck near here ruptured a tank car carrying petroleum solvent. 18,000 gallons of the stuff spilled but quickly "disappeared" into the ground at the wreck site and was soon forgotten.

Fast forward 30 years. The solvent began showing up in drinking water for a village whose municipal wells are located nearly 5 MILES from the wreck site. The bloom of solvent had travelled that far thru the water table since it had been spilled.

The village is now scrambling to somehow purify the solvent-tainted well water or secure an alternate water supply from someplace else. Whatever the solution it's gonna cost a lot of people a lot of $$$.

Unfortunately the railroad responsible for the wreck went backrupt and was abandoned in the mid-70's. So there's no corporate entity for the townspeople to go after to help pay to correct the problem.

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Like you Paul I'm not a tree hugging, granola munching, "greenie" either. However the reality is we gotta keep stuff like waste oil, antifreeze, etc. out of the ground. Stuff if dumped like might not show up in our water for 5, 30, 100 years or longer. But sooner or later it will....

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NDS

03-02-2006 11:17:43




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Bob M, 03-02-2006 08:35:10  
Few years ago a large truck terminal near me that had been in operation for 3o+ years closed. The shop area had been draining oil on ground outside for years and EPA people made them dig up contaminated soil and haul it to hazardous waste site. The oil had not gone over foot deep anywhere on site. EPA monitered this and was satisfied that there was no further contamination.



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NDS

03-02-2006 06:37:33




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Paul Shuler, 03-01-2006 17:21:17  
He must have been running a lot of equipment to generate enough used oil to sludge up evey well in neighborhood. Any long steep hill on major road will have more oil leaked on it than small farmer will ever buy. All have oil streak about 3 feet wide down center of uphill lanes caused from leaking trucks.



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KRUSS

03-02-2006 06:37:07




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Paul Shuler, 03-01-2006 17:21:17  
Your message may get a warmer reception on "Oprah" than here.



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Merlin

03-02-2006 05:44:31




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Paul Shuler, 03-01-2006 17:21:17  
If their well is deeper than 50", it"s not coming from the next door neighbors waste oil. After it sinks into the ground 50" it is so filtered and clean that if you could retrieve it, it would be pure enough to drink. It couldn"t possibly get into a well in just one person"s life time. The only way to get impurieties into a well is for it to get into the strada at the strada"s supply point. The waste oil would have to be carried to a stream, float arould for no telling how long, then enter the strada supply point.

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Allan In NE

03-02-2006 06:19:27




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Merlin, 03-02-2006 05:44:31  
Well heck yeah.

Any 5-year-old country kid can tell you that.

I don't think some of the city boys have ever learned the art of drinkin' downstream from the herd. :>)

Allan



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Allan In NE

03-02-2006 04:32:46




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Paul Shuler, 03-01-2006 17:21:17  
"The DNR has been out and they think they have traced it to a farm nearby that has been dumping his old oil and other fluids in the fence row for years."

Mornin' Paul,

Yeah right. It is always the "nearby" farmer's fault, isn't it?

This is what happens when people start stacking up on one another like cordwood and living in a pile. The big ones start eatin' the little ones.

Your idiot DNR man is trying to condem some poor old farmer so a city can condem/gobble up his property and turn it into a shopping mall with 40 acres of parking.

At that point, they will pave over the old clover field and they will use load after load of semi-tankers filled with oil to do it.

Allan

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Brownie 45

03-02-2006 04:04:27




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Paul Shuler, 03-01-2006 17:21:17  
The garage here in town has a waste oil heater. Takes all the old oil he can get.



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ddg

03-02-2006 00:07:00




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Paul Shuler, 03-01-2006 17:21:17  
I dump used motor oil into my fuel tank. I have a 97 Dodge/Cummins pickup, and you can burn off used oil with the diesel. When I drain oil out of my gas vehicles, it"s already filtered, and I put in the truck. Runs great, no additional smoke, and Cummins says you can use up to 5% used motor oil in the fuel. I alaready paid for it, I hate to throw it away when I can use it for fuel, no problems so far, at 250,000 miles. I"ve run filtered turkey fryer peanut oil through it as well.

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Dave NE IA

03-01-2006 20:26:37




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Paul Shuler, 03-01-2006 17:21:17  
I can't help but wonder about your DNR finding the sorce. If the guy actualy did this perhaps he has it coming, but just what if the DNR experts are reading the wrong book that day. Sometimes they focus on only one target and a judge will take it as the hard fact of the matter. Either way he is in for a expensive ride up that famous creek regardless of the out come. Dave NE IA



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jeffcat

03-01-2006 20:26:01




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Paul Shuler, 03-01-2006 17:21:17  
It is bad enough when some bone head down the road is doing it but what about big brother. The state of New Jersey during the winter has that PTA or what ever it is stuff. It ups the oxygen level in the gas to meet EPA codes. When it leaks into the ground water it will travel all over the Da--mn place! They knew about it for TWO winters and just kept on using it! Money in someones pocket!It is very bad when you must fear your government! Jeffcat

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PAULIH300

03-02-2006 03:07:31




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to jeffcat, 03-01-2006 20:26:01  
Its MTBE methyl tertiary-butyl ether.



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MJF

03-01-2006 19:51:41




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Paul Shuler, 03-01-2006 17:21:17  
To add a little humor to this, for years we had an old JD A that we dumped all our old oil into so we never had to dump it



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Bob

03-01-2006 17:58:52




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 Re: Waste oil in reply to Paul Shuler, 03-01-2006 17:21:17  
Amen to that, Paul.

I've know folks like that, too. I HOPE they've all cleaned up their act, before it's too late.



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