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Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO

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wyman

02-21-2006 12:41:11




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I was wondering what anyones thoughts were on a Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO. According to the archives there was only 68 of these tractors ever made. This tractor has 3556 actual hours, 2 pt and narrow front. As far as condition, this tractor is excellet. It still has original paint and looks very good. Any thoughts about this tractor?




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Jim Allen

02-22-2006 13:42:00




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to wyman, 02-21-2006 12:41:11  
"Only 68 of these were made???? "

In my experience, low production numbers means nobody wanted them and the manufacturer wised up and stopped building them. I don't mean it as an insult, but some combinations work well and some don't. I suspect a gas hydro wouldn't exactly fly out of the showrooms. Decades down the road, these rare models sometimes become treasured gems and sometimes they are gratefully forgotten.

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w gatewood

02-21-2006 16:47:56




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to wyman, 02-21-2006 12:41:11  
i knew they made a 826 gas hydro , i have only seen a picture of them. where did you come up with only 68 of them being made?



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wyman

02-21-2006 17:42:58




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to w gatewood, 02-21-2006 16:47:56  
We made a couple of phone calls and looked in the IH archives and it pulled up the numbers. There was only 5 made in 1969. I dont remember how many were made in 70-71. The one we have is a 1970 year model.



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Hugh MacKay

02-21-2006 13:06:42




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to wyman, 02-21-2006 12:41:11  
wyman: All 68 of them were sold to folks with gas wells.



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Quebec Red...

02-21-2006 16:33:20




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-21-2006 13:06:42  
....`were sold to folks with gas wells`...good one, Mr. Hugh. There was one here on a veggie farm. Lad had a 2000 loader and a Custom cab as he did snow in the winter. About 6 hours per tank of gas...QR..



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wyman

02-21-2006 15:33:34




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-21-2006 13:06:42  
I guess it makes since. I'm just surprised they didn't at least make a couple hundred of them. They made a few more in the Diesel Hydros but I don't think they made a ton of them either. Most of them were made with the old crappy syncro trans.



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K.B.-826

02-21-2006 18:07:36




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to wyman, 02-21-2006 15:33:34  
Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. The gear drive transmission was not a syncro and it was not crap. Most simple, reliable transmission ever built for a 70-130 horsepower tractor, if the guy in the seat had read the stupid manual and understood how it worked and kept clutch, dump valve, transmission brake, TA linkage, and shift linkages adjusted and didn't expect anything other than the TA to shift on the move. True, it was probably about maxed out by the 1086 and 1486, but in anything smaller it will last forever. Oh, and the reason there are so few 826 gas hydro's? They were totally undesirable. If you want crap get yourself a 100 horsepower gas hydro. Put it in the field and find out for yourself. All it'll be good for is looking at and bragging about how rare it is. Just remember why it is so rare.

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wyman

02-21-2006 21:00:05




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to K.B.-826, 02-21-2006 18:07:36  
I am glad to see a couple of people agree that the old IH syncros were good transmissions. They were like a tank and could withstand alot. They made well for a lot of different uses. Depending on the use however, the hydro was IH's best trans for a loader tractor. Their hydro was actually fairly strong if used correctly.



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Baelee05

02-22-2006 05:25:56




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to wyman, 02-21-2006 21:00:05  
You were told once and I'll tell you again. The IH transmission is not a syncro trans. Syncro means syncronized. This transmission was not syncronized. Deere transmissions of the same era were either syncronized or power shift. Much handier but not as durable. I don't care what Hugh or anyone else says the IH trans was no where near as handy for a lot of things as the Deere syncro. The IH was bullet proof and Deere eventually got the syncro to where it was almost as reliable.

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Hugh MacKay

02-22-2006 08:41:24




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to Baelee05, 02-22-2006 05:25:56  
Baylee: I know what you mean by not as handy for a lot of things. There are a lot of farmers out there that use the tractor as a sports vehicle, or pickup, atv, etc. The old Farmalls always seemed quite handy for my use. You didn't use a 1066 to go and replace a fence post at far end of pasture, and I didn't use my Super A to pull a 20' disk.



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Hugh MacKay

02-21-2006 16:09:59




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to wyman, 02-21-2006 15:33:34  
wyman: If those old Farmall gear drive transmissions were so crappy, how come most of them went well over 10,000 hours and yes with good maintainence some over 20,000 hours without the top off the transmission. You guys wanting to speed shift and wanting to do loader work, destroyed the very best field work tractor ever built. There should have been a law against putting a loader on a gear drive Farmall.

Sure they were hard to shift, but they also had enough torque you didn't have to be shifting all the time.

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Ross

02-21-2006 19:31:48




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-21-2006 16:09:59  
No offense Hugh you're entitled to your opinion but I think 06/26/56 make a fine loader tractor. You can shift from low to high to reverse kind of like a shuttle and leave the gear selector alone. Now I know you'll say if you want to get stuff done get a skid steer it'll be faster. Yes it will be faster on loader work. But I can take that tractor with a loader down the road at 15+ mph and load round bales on a semi with it, I can mow hay, plant corn, bale hay, pull wagons, run an auger you name it. That skid steer I've got to load it on a trailer to get it from place to place. Also in my experience (bobcats) A loader on say an 826 will stack hay higher and in general lift higher but I've heard NH skid steers apparently lift quite high and finally I can buy a clean 806 reasonably around here and put a Westendorf loader on it and have a heck of a good outfit. All the skid steers around here are either too expensive or pretty well beat to death. To me the tractor is a better deal for my money.
JMO Ross

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Hugh MacKay

02-22-2006 02:55:05




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to Ross, 02-21-2006 19:31:48  
Ross: I hear what you are saying. I guess my biggest gripe has always been, guys craping all over the IH dealer, saying the 06, 26, 56, 66 and 86 series tractors had a poor transmission for pulling wagons to and from fields and loader work. Even back when my 1066 was new I could clearly see farmer-public demand was going to destroy the most economical power train we had ever seen for field work. Farmalls even going back as far as the H and M always had enough torque, you didn't need to be shifting much on field work. Once we got into TA that was all it took to make these tractors even more efficient in the field.

That group of demanding individuals succeeded, sure these modern day transmissions are nice, but look at the nightmare they must be to repair and maintain. I had a Deere power shift, always I dreaded the day that power shift had to go for it's rebuild. Luckily that task got left to a new owner at 13,000 hours.

When I was actively farming, in my area we had dealers with a piece of the pie for IH, Deere, Allis, MF, Ford and White. I used to make a practice of going around to all these dealers, for two reasons, one to see if anyone had a better idea and number two to see what was apart in their back shop. I could never believe the numbers of under 5 year old tractors with transmission rear end problems. Up to 1985, I had never seen an 06,26,56,66 or 86 series tractor apart from the engine on back. Today they're all doing it and to relatively new tractors. Very common to hear of a farmer being without his main power source tractor during seed time or harvest.

Now, I have to say that in all my years, I was never without one of my regular tractors during the busy season. Many times I had guys with other brands show up on my doorstep wanting to rent or borrow a tractor because their other make was down and they knew I had my crop done. I once loaned my 1066 about 7,000 hours on clock at the time, to a farmer who just had his new 4630 pack up. He used my 1066 for 3 days on his forage harvester, and when he returned the tractor, I asked him how it worked for him. His responce, " It makes that damn Deere look sick." Now I believe that 4630 was rated with a few more ponies than a 1066. I know my 1066 got one h@## of a workout those three days, he was behind when he started, and was all done when his Deere came home.

Lets face it that what it's all about, having your work all done when your DEAR gets home.

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billonthefarm

02-22-2006 06:03:10




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-22-2006 02:55:05  
I agree with what you are saying hugh basically a efficent reliable transmission coupled with a strong power plant made for a good tractor. On the other hand I cant imagine you never saw one of those IH tractors tore apart for a rearend job untill 1985. How about a t/a or clutch?? That's behind the motor. In the 80's our local IH dealer made a living keeping those 66-86 tractors running. It wasnt like anybody was doing it twice a year just with alot of hard use at power levels they werent intended for seem to cause failures. T/A clutch and rear ends just didnt last forever in those tractors. I doubt they had a failure rate that is higher than anyone else did but they did fail. As far as todays tractors, very simply they are FAR better than the tractors you are comparing them to. As with anything they will have trouble but it is pretty uncommon to have any sort of major breakdown. Those 06-86 series tractors are very good tractors but they, like all machines, breakdown and compared to new tractors, the differene in reliablity and productivity is quite amazing. eric

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Hugh MacKay

02-22-2006 08:31:14




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to billonthefarm, 02-22-2006 06:03:10  
Bill: I didn't say it never happened, I didn't have the time to go to these places everyday. I can tell you this, not one of my 560, 656 or 1066 were ever apart before 10,000 hours other than PTO unit of 560 and two hydraulic pumps. Now that is rather minor. I can take you to countless other owners that experienced the same.

I didn't go to those other make dealers very often, but it seemed like every time I did there were big tractors apart.

Your contention that modern tractors in the past 20 years have improved is not true. Busy seasons to me were busy. My 1066 had 10,000 hours by the time it was 8 years old, 656 reached the 10,000 hour mark at 11 years. I never had a Farmall let me down in a busy season. That is not the case with new tractors in the past 20 years. Todays tractors are letting farmers down in busy seasons at alarming rates. I could give you 6 examples right off the cuff, but this post is long enough.

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Baelee05

02-22-2006 08:11:29




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to billonthefarm, 02-22-2006 06:03:10  
WELL SAID!!!



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bermuda ken

02-21-2006 12:48:01




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 Re: Farmall 826 GAS HYDRO in reply to wyman, 02-21-2006 12:41:11  
Only 68 of these were made????



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