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Paul Kellam

02-10-2006 22:02:48




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Hi; We have a 1957 farm-all 230 wide front that hasn't run for 20+years now we have been offered
good $ to sell it as is but we (My brothers and I) are planning on restoring it. the engine has
a cracked block and is stuck the tires are rotted
off of it and it is pretty rusty- here is the question'(s) what motor will work in it i have a line on a newer motor that is out of a c that is
supposed to work but there needs to be some machining done on the throw-out bearing? that's
what the fellow told me needed to be done for it to work it has a spin off oil filter the other motor that i found is off a 140 that id supposed to work? the first one can be purchased for 500.00 the other 1200.00 (Exchange) can somone help me out here? thanks in advance

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BobG in VA

02-11-2006 05:43:09




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 Re: farm-all 230 in reply to Paul Kellam, 02-10-2006 22:02:48  
I also have a '57 230. Forget the C engine. Manifolds changed when they went past the Super Cs. 140 has the same manifold, but I understand it is less HP than the 230. Mine has Firecrater Pistons (High Altitude). Don't know what the folks are offering you but it sounds like you may want to send it south and take the money and find a better candidate to start with....BobG in VA
PS: What's the serial # on that 230?

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Andrew Z

02-11-2006 06:44:12




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 Re: farm-all 230 in reply to BobG in VA, 02-11-2006 05:43:09  
You want to make sure you get an engine out od a Super C, 100, 200, 130 etc. Not a C. You can put one in if you get a good deal on it but it will require more work to get the power out of it. The head is alittlle diffrent and less compression. The other factor that I think is more important is that the C will only except the 3 1/8" and the others will except the 3 1/4" pistons with out boring it out. The diffrence between the 100, 130 are the RPMs are lower and thus less Hp. The 140 has a complete diffrent head. and looks like a diffrent engine. If you not worried about looks I think a 140 would work maybe not sure. But you would beable to tell that its not the orginal eninge. Andrew

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Stan(VA).

02-11-2006 11:42:18




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 Re: farm-all 230 in reply to Andrew Z , 02-11-2006 06:44:12  
Bob has a point if it's that bad of shape to begin with, might be smart to find another. If you go ahead with this one, the C engine block would swap right in and give you the same sleeve and piston options that your current 230 block has (both are the smaller 3-5/16" lower sleeve opening). The 3-1/8" Tisco overbore sleeve and piston kit is very similar to the firecrators in a 140/240, just a lttle lower dome height and dome(s) more squared off looking. Keep your head, manifold, air cleaner, distributor and governor to use with the new block in any case and you will maintain your power.

The Super C/100/200 block would allow you to go the 3-1/4" pistons, but the are a lower compression height and just a rectangular step head (with a reduced height compared to the 3-1/8" kit) rather that the design that somewhat copies the firecrator. It's a trade off with a little less compression, but 10 extra cu inches.

The 140/240 block is not a direct replacement because of the front of the block. It is possible but you would need the block, all the accesories(water pump, fan, generator at least), and the radiator with brackets from a 140. Poss some other stuff I'm forgetting at the moment? Stan(VA).

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