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Took longer to do than to read about - really

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williamf

02-08-2006 18:45:33




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I asked earlier about the oil pan plug for the H.
A P.O. had replaced the original plug with a standard pipe plug. It worked ok, but being a pipe plug it relied on the threads not to leak instead of the lip pressing a (brass?) ring (parts book calls it a gasket) around the outside of the hole. So it had to be tighter. Being soft iron the square head would round off in the crescent wrench, next time use visegrips. By the second time I changed the oil, last spring, there wasn't much left to grab. Told myself, "Next year get a new plug." That was one year too many.
I picked up a new plug today, figured to change the oil in my spare time this afternoon. Not enough to grab. All round, and a nub.
Tap strongly with a punch. Nada.
Put a cutting blade on the trusty side grinder and cut two new faces. Good enough to use a wrench. Snapped right off. Tried to dress it up a little more and it's Jed Clampitt time. There's really not much metal under the head on those things. But at least I got the oil out.
Forgot the name of the "nearby" dealer; Case/IH site dealer locator gets "Bad response from server " error. Called C&G, ordered a real plug and a pan gasket.
I figure it's likely I'll have to take the pan off to clean the old plug out without damaging the threads. By the look of all the sealant (silicone? Permatex?) around the (slightly bent-up)pan the guy who rebuilt the engine before I got it had a heck of a time getting rid of the leaks. I dread messing with it but the thought of drilling/Dremeling and chipping around in the bottom of the crankcase is worse. I saved a trip to town to get a new plug last year though, right?
Wm

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P Backus

02-09-2006 11:47:32




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 Re: Took longer to do than to read about - really in reply to williamf, 02-08-2006 18:45:33  
I would wonder how good your oil pan is. You said it"s a bit bent up- the flange around the top ( sealing surface) can be straightened out a bit, but I would hate to see you go through all of that work and find that your new plug won"t fit because the threads in the pan are all streched out (from the pipe plug) and boogered up. Maybe find a good used pan?
Paul



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John in CT

02-08-2006 19:35:10




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 Re: Took longer to do than to read about - really in reply to williamf, 02-08-2006 18:45:33  
I was wondering what year is your H and could you post the part # of the plug? The reason I ask is I got a plug for my H from my IH and it is a plug with a hex cut in it for an allen wrench and still leaks. It Doesn't have a lip or a gasket/washer. Thanks.



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williamf

02-09-2006 13:29:43




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 Re: Took longer to do than to read about - really in reply to John in CT, 02-08-2006 19:35:10  
Mine is a '46.
I ordered on the phone and didn't get the number; when it comes (tomorrow, Sat., Mon.) I'll post you back with the number.
As P Backus says above, it's possible that the threads are stretched. Oy.
Wm



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John in Ct

02-09-2006 17:52:20




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 Re: Took longer to do than to read about - really in reply to williamf, 02-09-2006 13:29:43  
Thanks!!



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KEB

02-08-2006 19:14:11




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 Re: Took longer to do than to read about - really in reply to williamf, 02-08-2006 18:45:33  
Try drilling it out with a left hand bit. I've had several broken bolts decide to back out from having a left hand drill bit run down the center. Realize you'll have to either go to town to get one, or order one from somewhere, but still a lot less trouble than dropping the oil pan.

You might also try a little heat from a propane torch. Make sure the area you're heating is well cleaned off first so you don't set the grease or oil on fire, & be careful not to get it too hot. Try to heat the pan around the plug more than the plug itself. Sometimes a little heat will soften whatever crud is stuck in the threads.

Good luck,

Keith

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Robert Lorencz

02-08-2006 19:02:58




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 Re: Took longer to do than to read about - really in reply to williamf, 02-08-2006 18:45:33  
Ahh! Too bad!
I needed one for my Super A last year, went to the dealer, partsman reached under the counter and dropped one in my hand! I gotta a lot of time for these boys, I can phone them , fax them, etc and they get my parts, maybe not always the cheapest, but always there!

Robert



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