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Michael Soldan

02-08-2006 16:32:20

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Welp, here's some advice...don't ever register a gun and don't tell anyone what you own. I like a fool registered my guns with the Canadian firearm registration. It was to be a one time one price registry, but you had to have a gun course to register..OK, took the gun course again, registered..$60 for course, $60 fee for Firearms certificate from the government, and $10 per gun to register...all done and everything rosy..well yesterday I get a letter saying my certificate has expired and I have 30 days to renew it or the Provincial police can come to my house and sieze my guns..isn't that pretty for a guy who has never had any trouble with the law in his life, never an asault charge, three speeding tickets in 41 years...so I get the forms off of the internet and start filling them out, have to prove I took and passed a certified gun course by sending the reciept from the course....can't I sent it to the stupid Pric$s the first time around, need two people to sign for me that I am not a violent looney, have to prove I live where I do( not sure how..property tax notice maybe), provide two passport size recent photos, have a guarantor sign that they are of me, have my spouse sign that I haven't tried to kill her lately...they already have all this information from the first FAC I took in 1999, oh yeah and send information about your credit card so thay can bill you for the $60 registry fee...If I had known it was going to turn out like this I would have greased my guns and built a bunker in the barn and stored them and used them when I felt like it ...what really p^sses me off is all the Gun crime in Toronto ( 57 murders by gun/drug and gang related so far this year) committed by Jamaicans that have entered our country and brought in all kinds of illegal hand guns and gang crime..not a damned one of those guns will ever be registered and yet they can come after a law biding retired citizen/farmer who uses his guns to control varmits...fight as hard as you can fight against gun registration because in the end it takes law bidding responsible gun ownwers and violates your rights while the criminal element is impervious to gun laws...and another thing they are now letting people who have never registered to do so for free to get all guns registered..never mind the money they have sucked out of me...Ill get a new certificate and then my guns are going to "disappear" just before it runs out , I am looking forward to telling them to go F&ck themselves when they try to get me to turn in my guns or make another application for an FAC..warn everyone you know who owns guns and look at Canada...a total failure at gun control that has now gone into the billions spent by the government in its innane attempts...targeting law bidding citizens..I guess the government figured that all the criminals would apply for registration of their guns..what wonderful people we have running our country....Mike in Exeter Ontario

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scotc

02-11-2006 20:06:45

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

Did anyone hear about the NRA's convention in Columbus OH this year? Columbus papers were talking about the millions that would be spent in the city by NRA members attending. Then the city went and banned assault weapons, one definition of which included anything with a "conspicuously protruding pistol grip". NRA said shove it and cancelled their convention. It's Like the new ban Kerry tried getting the senate to pass. Anything with a pistol grip would have been classed an assault weapon, which would be every gun in this country that didn't have an English-style stock.

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HughMacKay

02-09-2006 17:13:23

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

Michael: I don't own a gun but do agree with your cause. When I farmed and had some pesky varments to shoot I had two guys I always called on. I have been watching this all day and have been a bit reluctant to get involved. If I start I would probably outline all my beefs with Federal and Provincial Governments. Now if I start and say everything I think, I would be kicked off YT forever.

I see there are Canadian Government forums, took a look at them just before the election. Near as I can tell it is a bunch of bureauacrats, wanting us all to tell them how great they are. I expect we wouldn't last much longer on those forums than a fart in a mitten.

Maybe we should just start our own forun and call it Canadian Crap.

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Quebec Red

02-10-2006 07:26:28

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to HughMacKay, 02-09-2006 17:13:23

` Hail Hugh---`Canadian Crap---` One of your better ones; and there are a lot from which to choose. QR.

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Dave in MN

02-09-2006 14:46:09

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

If every female was required to attend a gun safety course to become competant in gun safety and handling of guns and was then REQUIRED to carry a gun at all times, how many rapes would there be???

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Paul L

02-09-2006 12:31:23

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

Just to add, with the new Ocnservative government, (even though it is a minority)will try to get rid of this stupid, money wasting piece of legislation. It"s all thanks to those wonderful liberals! They should have spent the millions on hunting down criminals and going after the people that really are the ones hurting society. Anyway, I could go on and on, but that"s good for now. Paul

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KRUSS

02-09-2006 06:46:51

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

Telling us (I am Canadian) might make you feel better. Telling your MP (whether you voted for him or not, regardless of which party he represents) may do some good.

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R. John Johnson

02-09-2006 06:45:51

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

Micheal

I hear you on this one. Our provincial government here in Manitoba has thankfully taken the stance that they will not actively enforce the rules of Bill 68. Of course if someone is caught breaking the law and is also breaking gun laws also, they get charged with the gun offences also. Those gun laws were designed for people living in a large metropolitan center. As one poster below stated, everyone has a personal line as to what controls are in place. I have no problem with a lisence to buy a gun, with a background check to screen out the loonies, but it should not need approval by a ton of beurocrats (SP?). I hope our new government, who has more of a rural origin and support base, will interject some logic into this issue. They made an election promise to do away with the registry.

For our friends to the south, one more sneaky aspect to our current legislation. You need that firearm liscence to purchase ammunition. Kind of hard to quietly keep and use your guns without shells.

One last thing that we see in our area. There used to be a lot of hunters from the US every fall. Since the new laws that number has dropped off significantly. The lost income from small rural businesses is a hidden cost of our bloated gun resistry costs.

Looking back, think this turned into a rant. Sorry folks.

John

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Dave NE IA

02-09-2006 06:35:49

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

I seen a copy of a speach made years ago saying that their country is safe now that all guns are registered etc. The speach was in 1935 and the details I do not recal. The speach was by Mr. Hitler. Gun laws are like anything else our goverment does, a reaction to a popular outcry or crime. Most politicians are from wealthy families and for the most part crooked, they will step on anybodys toes to get what they want. Government will always be government, and in the US the biggest concern on all our minds is the overpowerment of government. We get it from both parties here, kind of like pick your poision. Big business will pay the politicians so they can remain on top of the heap. I can not go with either party because they are over the top extreeeee eemists in both parties. We are loosing freedom by both parties, we learn as we get older what a joke it realy is. Our courts are a joke as well, and to think so many soilders in history died for this. We all blow it off till the Sh-t his our own fan.

As far as your gun issue, why not just take the guns away from all government officials, and their body guards, as well as security people that protects our government officials. Another train of thought is why not let politicians cary guns while in session, they would shoot each other and maybe the smarter ones would servive? Dave NE IA

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Paler Rider

02-09-2006 07:11:52

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Dave NE IA, 02-09-2006 06:35:49

I don't have the whole speech, but this is the line I'm sure you remember. *�This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, out police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!�--Adolf Hitler

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Dave NE IA

02-09-2006 17:16:13

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Paler Rider, 02-09-2006 07:11:52

Paler, that is the one. Makes a person wonder, I should probably not comment as the government may list all tractor dudes as terrorists now. I kinda went off on my post, but late last night I got a call from a very close friend that got his paycheck -- less child support. The guy got a bum attorney. He gave his two kids (after origanaly getting custody) to the mom on verbal and written consent of the conditions. His business went out the window, part of our little town heading for death row. He gave them up inorder to bring in a check as jobs are imposible in our area. He was not notified of the court date and his wife got on the stand and spoke--lets just say (less than the truth). Now after his living on the road expences (driving truck) he has $36.00 for two weeks for his pickup payments, phone, cell phone, furnace fuel, electric, insurance and food---plus half of medical bills on the kids. He ended up with a blood clot, eight days before his medical insurance kicked in. Now has a hospital bill for a little shy of thirty five thousand, (I think my numbers are correct), but a sobing man is hard to understand). We anticipated it was going to turn out this way this way, so we have been trying to find means to change this, but all attorneys need up front money, and offer little hope. They say he just fell through the cracks. The bank will not make a six year loan, (wonder why) (probably needs $1,000.00 a month) he has no assets. Assets were sold to pay off some of the first divorce attorney fees and credit cards she had run up unknown to him. She moved into her boyfriends house and has a min. wage part time job. Iowa has free legal services, but not for divorce, / child support. (good ol government). Social services says he has a job. (Child support is not considered as a expence) off the top gross income. So I stayed up all night trying to find a answer to his questions, and when the word (gun) was posted---well you know how I went off. So sorry if I burned a few ears while doing so. Dave NE IA

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Farmallkid From Ont,

02-09-2006 06:31:43

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

It is a bunch of BS, They just want to know who has them so they can come and get them. Guns don't kill people, Bad people with guns kill people.

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billonthefarm

02-09-2006 05:55:29

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

michael Your truely have the support of all of us down south. Here in the us some people cant understand why many of us oppose so fiercely any gun restricitons. It is as simple as you say, the laws dont affect the criminals. I dont know this quote belongs to or the exact wording but it is something to this effect "bad things can only happen when good people stand idlie by." So find groups that support your views and make some noise. It cant hurt and god luck! bill

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DJM75

02-09-2006 04:48:42

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

It"s like this for anyone who hasn"t figured this out and I don"t care who tells you what where doesnt matter. registration is the first step to confiscation!

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Spacegoat

02-08-2006 22:18:11

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

#1 If you have anything in writing that says the original registry was a lifetime deal it should hold up in court. You should talk to your MP (who may now be a Conservative).
#2 In spite of the above, I think a lot of people got suckered by Harper's talk about doing away with the registry. What we weren't told was that they plan to institute "firearm certification". Seeing as the infrastructure is already in place (and paid for), how many changes do you think they will make aside from the name? Also it is supposedly at the point now where all the big spending is finished and the fees should balance out the new costs.
#3 As a gun owner I am not in favour of a gun "culture". How often do you hear of a Canadian kid showing up at school with a gun they found lying around the house? Ammo? Would it make you nervous if you went to Toronto and everyone there was allowed to carry concealed handguns? I know the criminals already have them but how about Joe "about to go postal"? I have yet to ever meet any one who is totally opposed to gun control, they just draw the line differently. Kids not being allowed to take guns to school is gun control, not being able to walk around on the street with an automatic weapon is gun control. So we can agree we are all in favour of gun control to some degree, right?
#4 None of us ever complain about having to have a driver license and insuring our vehicles, whats up with that?

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02-09-2006 17:26:45

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Spacegoat, 02-08-2006 22:18:11

contrary opinion on Auto license and insurance- why not just one plate and driver insurance? Have to pay for plates on each vehicle that gets traded/sold in 6 months, insurance on vehicle for each vehicle when just driver liability only should be enough. Used to be Financial Responsibiliy law , not individual car, and municipals and states exempted themselves so you couldn't get a quick claim settlement. Gripe, Gripe, Gripe:( Titles were handy for thieves instead of mandatory point of sale inspection by police- now have pollution inspections by quick service place that shoves a wand up the tailpipe and wants to put a cat($150.) on the 79 Datsun as 'required by law' when Datsun and couple others-Honda, Subaru- didn't need them until couple years later. Register vehicles and pay taxes on them, don't drive on street and still get told to pay license fee for 39 chevy or they'll impound Get thieving cop who files false report after attekmpting to take title for car and have to drag out dispatch tapes and subpoena sherrifs tapes to get final dimissal and cop claims no criminal intent so gets to stay on job. County attorney says not her job despite state statute requiring action by county to prosecute false filing in court. This on cars- no second amendmant protecting you ownership. Canada has it worse without constitutional protection- parliment powers need restricting. This liven things up a bit?? RN

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1466OH

02-09-2006 05:18:40

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Spacegoat, 02-08-2006 22:18:11

Driving a car is a not a Constiutional right where firearms ownership, at least here in the US ,is, important enough to be the Second one.
Written into a bill of rights by people who had just thrown of the shackles of one tyranny, and wanted to make sure a home grown tyranny didn't take its place. That safeguard is still as valid today as then.

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any unreserved name

02-09-2006 05:08:10

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Spacegoat, 02-08-2006 22:18:11

#4. An automobile costs more, and kills more people than any firearm. It is also used every day. That is why you need to be licensed and insured.

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jeffcat

02-08-2006 21:14:47

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

Just makes ya want to cry! I have been watchin these LIBERAL IDIOTS going on for toooo many years. Remember that you must disarm the people first. The HONEST person is the easiest one! Franklin said "Trading freedoms for security soon leaves neither" I hope this is about the correct quote. In the US there are OVER 23,000 gun laws and all it does is screw up the average Joe. Criminals are CRIMINALS !!!!! They do not register their guns! If you can buy stuff from friends or family and hide it , DO IT! Remember what Germany did before WW II. Register then "Gun clubs" then by by. I am not a nut but when you must be afraid of your own government!
I was born in 1950 and from the early 60s onwards all I have seen is politicals letting in more trash into this country and giving in to their garbage. This country has let it's maufacturing base go to h--ell and is turnig browner and browner. That is why I never had kids and I feel so sad for my sisters kids. In TEXAS, the state of ranches, cowboys, the Alamo; Whites are a THIRD place minority!!!!! !!!!! For cryin out loud you had to get me goin!. I got to get off of here for tonight! Jeffcat

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1466 OH

02-08-2006 19:39:42

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

Hello, Interesting to hear from a Canadian about your gun laws. I often wondered why England, Canada, and Austrailia were so willing to let their gun rights slide while the US has mostly maintained ours. All four countries settled by the same basic stock of people. I always figured that it is because the US was born from a revolution, won by armed citizens and citizen soldiers. I truly believe that an armed population is the only real way to preserve Constitutional rights. The right to bear arms has nothing to do with hunting or even defense against criminals but is the final check to contain an oppresive government. Glad to see the US roll back laws passed under Clinton. Good luck up there to the North.

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Scared to Tell My Real Na

02-08-2006 18:55:50

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

Michael
G**D**m Liberals! I knew this was coming! I got rid of my guns years ago due to financial problems, now I can't even buy one without jumping through a hundred hoops to shoot the damn squirrels/groundhogs etc bothering me. Grease 'em up and hide them under the barn floor
Just hope for better days ahead!
And yes, I am from Ontario, but not Toronto, but up in "the Valley"

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Erik in WI

02-08-2006 18:04:23

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

A fellow I hunt with, went to canada to hunt on his sons property (who had just moved there.) He came back with quite a story about what a pain in the A$$ it was for him to get his shotgun in and out of canada. It pissed him off so much, that he bought another shotgun and left it at his sons house!! I hope the situation improves for you guys!!

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George 2

02-08-2006 17:21:12

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

Mike: Start lobbying Schellenberger and Steckle. Harper is sympathetic to our cause. I suspect sometime during the next year or two the penalties for gun crime will increase drastically and the gun registration will be done away with. Better times are a coming as we have rid ourselves of the crooked Liberals. I hope it doesn't have to wait until Harper gets a majority. And by the way do you know that 49.5% of Torontonians were born outside Canada. Half of Toronto are darn aliens (foreigners). Go there, and see for yourself, white people like us are a minority there. It is just a darn UN. And a lot of those people came from countries where dictatorship is common. So what sense of democracy do these people have? I for one think that Toronto is symbolic of what is wrong in this country. Even Duceppe and his separatists are better than the Toronto crowd is.

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Quebec Red

02-08-2006 17:48:46

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to George 2, 02-08-2006 17:21:12

Quote: even Duceppe and his separatists are better than the Toronto crowd is; unquote. I do not think that you would really want to trade, as Johnny D. has some real hard nosed meanies just chomping at the bit, waiting. Time will tell what the history will write. QR

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Paul Shuler

02-08-2006 16:46:59

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-08-2006 16:32:20

I'm sorry to here that Mike.When you look back at world history that's a bad sign when goverenments start disarming the law abiding citizens. They may not knock your door down and take them but they sure are going to make you pay to keep them.

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Dick Davis

02-09-2006 03:28:08

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Paul Shuler, 02-08-2006 16:46:59

Appreciate the personal account and sorry for your loss. What is the consequences if they find your cache? And they will develop ways to find them all, once they know where to look.
Is anybody surprised at this course of events? If the truth was told this is exactly the steps desired by the orginal advocates to achieve the disarming of citizens. You can't change things dramaticaly - "Take away all guns today!", for instance, but you can get them gone little by little, if you can bamboozle the folks into approving "reasonable measures". Anybody know what the United Nations position is on individually possessed firearms?

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dhermesc

02-09-2006 09:40:12

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Re: O/T Canadian gun regisrty in reply to Dick Davis, 02-09-2006 03:28:08

As if you had to ask, just look at the statue in front of the building (click on picture).

http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/North_America/United_States_of_America/New_York_State/New_York_City-841252/Things_To_Do-New_York_City-United_Nations-BR-1.html

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