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Using Ethanol in an M distillate

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fisherman

02-08-2006 12:47:29




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I've got a question. My tractor is an M distillate and I've read in the archieves about the true mixtures of the so called "Trash Gas" and how it was used in a tractor like this (49M)

So I got to thinking....which..wasn't very smart :) about using unleaded with 10% ethanol in the tractor.


What are the effects of using unleaded gas with ethanol in this tractor and what about the use of E-85 gas in a distillate tractor?

Any thoughts or experience?

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26Red

02-09-2006 08:22:36




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 Re: Using Ethanol in an M distillate in reply to fisherman, 02-08-2006 12:47:29  
I have found that you can run a mix of 50% E85 and regular gasoline with no problems. If you want to run straight E-85 in your tractor you will havae to adjust the carb to give it more fuel. If you want to run it in your carburated pickup, you can buy an alcohol carb from Holley. If you have a fuel injected vehicle no designed for E-85, you can run the 50% mix or buy this Flextube gadget to run 100% E-85.

I have run the last 50K with a 50% mix of E85 with no problems.

You can now get E-85 compatible trucks from GM- 5.3 v-8, Ford 5.4L v-8, Nissan 5.6? , and some Dodge 4.7L v-8 models.

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F-Dean

02-09-2006 06:32:45




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 Re: Using Ethanol in an M distillate in reply to fisherman, 02-08-2006 12:47:29  
I have found two problems with Gasahol (Gasolene with 10% ethanol): (1) The ethanol will clean your tank and fuel lines so clean your filters often when you first use it. (2) Over winter, the ethanol will evaporate leaving the weak gas behind. This can cause problems when you go to start them in the spring.



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KS Farms

02-08-2006 19:18:21




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 Re: Using Ethanol in an M distillate in reply to fisherman, 02-08-2006 12:47:29  
Ethanol runs better with a higher compresion ratio. Distillate tractors have a lower compresion ratio than gas tractors. You would also need to adjust for a richer mixture. It may run but wouldn"t make as much power, and you would burn more fuel.



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Paul Shuler

02-08-2006 17:03:51




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 Re: Using Ethanol in an M distillate in reply to fisherman, 02-08-2006 12:47:29  
Last summer when gas was so high "like it's not now" Casey's Gen store was selling Ethanol about 15 cents cheaper than gas. Thought I would give it a try. Ran a few tanks through my old Chevy and it ran fine so I filled up the H and a Honda 4 wheeler. There was a big loss of power on the H. First time ever I had to down shift in tall grass while mowing. The Honda wouldn't hardley pull it's self up on the trailer and wouldn't idel smooth at all. The truck did fine till I went to pull a Case SC on my trailer and it pinged the entire time. No more for me. Everything cleared up when I quit useing it. I wish my stuff would work better with it. Would like to support the farmer and save a few bucks at the same time.
Paul

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Steven@AZ

02-08-2006 17:43:31




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 Re: Using Ethanol in an M distillate in reply to Paul Shuler, 02-08-2006 17:03:51  
Was this the 10% ethanol or E85? Only computer-controlled vehicles designed for E85 will function properly with it.

The 10% mix isn't even strong enough that I've ever noticed a difference in anything I've used it in.



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John in Ne.

02-09-2006 03:21:13




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 Re: Using Ethanol in an M distillate in reply to Steven@AZ, 02-08-2006 17:43:31  
I use my personal pick-up quite a bit for company business,I don't get paid milage so I get to deduct expences,But I have to keep very accurate records. In my pickup,E10 means you get 10% less milage. Until there is a 10% difference in cost,I won't buy it.John.



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Duane WI

02-09-2006 14:35:07




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 Re: Using Ethanol in an M distillate in reply to John in Ne., 02-09-2006 03:21:13  
I have noticed the gas milage drop in my car 10% when I use E10. I drive 60 miles each way to work so it is easy for me to get a good comparison. Normal gas 30mpg, E10 27mpg. So what is the point of E10? I am burning up the same amount of normal gas either way. The 10% alcohol is just along for the ride. If I put in 10 gallons or E10 (9 gallons gas and 1 gallon alcohol) it is the same as putting in 9 gallons as normal gas.

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Steven@AZ

02-08-2006 13:35:00




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 Re: Using Ethanol in an M distillate in reply to fisherman, 02-08-2006 12:47:29  
10% Ethanol will do no harm. Been using it for years in older tractors. I know for a fact my father in law has used it in his Super 77 Oliver for at least 15 years (I don't know for sure what year it became available in his area) with no problems.

Lead additives are a myth. 100% waste of money.

If you did some extensive work on your fuel system you might be able to run E85. You will have to set it up to run quite a bit richer since the Ethanol has less BTU per gallon. Be sure that you have also updated the rubber parts of your fuel system, E85 will attack certain types of rubber.

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Mudcat49

02-08-2006 13:12:11




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 Re: Using Ethanol in an M distillate in reply to fisherman, 02-08-2006 12:47:29  
Ditillate was/is 3/5 kerosene 2/5 gasoline. also called tractor fuel. When using, you crank the tractor on pure gas and when it warms up switch to fuel. You can run these tractors on pure gas all the time. so using a 10% mixture of ethanol and 90% UL gas will be ok. BUT you need to mix something in for the valves like a lead sub or some 2 cycle oil or marvel mystery oil. In the old days Kerosene was a lot cheaper than gas that is why this was done, not so today!

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RustyFarmall

02-08-2006 13:23:51




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 Re: Using Ethanol in an M distillate in reply to Mudcat49, 02-08-2006 13:12:11  
Mudcat, adding lead for protection of the valves is a total myth. It will accomplish nothing more than to line the pockets of the person selling the additive.



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RustyFarmall

02-08-2006 13:05:42




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 Re: Using Ethanol in an M distillate in reply to fisherman, 02-08-2006 12:47:29  
I have been using E-10 ever since it became available back in the 80s. I use it in everything I own, including the Hs and M, and I have been satisfied that it is an excellent choice. E-10 is the only choice I have at my local station now.



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