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6 or 12 volt?

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Mark Co

02-05-2006 13:14:34




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We have a M Farmall that is 6 volt now. It cranks slow even after a new battery. What does it take to switch to 12 volt. I've heard you can put a 8 volt battery on a 6 volt system, would that help? Thanks




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gene bender

02-05-2006 19:09:51




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 Re: 6 or 12 volt? in reply to Mark Co, 02-05-2006 13:14:34  
First i would get the starter up in shape with new cables. A8v batt probably will solve your problem as they have been used over the years lots of times. Dont need to change anything else just keep pos ground and go for it. If you have any trouble check with CAR QUEST as they can fix you up with the 8v batt and it fits in the batt box.



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glennster

02-05-2006 16:22:42




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 Re: 6 or 12 volt? in reply to Mark Co, 02-05-2006 13:14:34  
check the bushings in the starter to see if they are worn also, if the bushings are worn it pulls hard on the armature.



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randy hall

02-05-2006 15:52:44




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 Re: 6 or 12 volt? in reply to Mark Co, 02-05-2006 13:14:34  
if you have a good auto electrical rebuild shop close to you you can have them install high torque windings in the fields. i did this to a super mta about five years ago. costs around thirty dollars.



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John T

02-05-2006 14:44:28




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 Re: 6 or 12 volt? in reply to Mark Co, 02-05-2006 13:14:34  
Mark, Im not a fan of the 8 volt system, its an oddball to say the least. If you decide to change, I would go ahead and convert it to a full much more standard 12 volt while youre at it. If it has a genny with a Voltage Regulator, you can simply change to a 12 volt Voltage Regulator to charge a 12 volt battery, thats NOT perfect or the engineering proper way to do it, but it can work even if marginally. The starter will still work at 12 volts, although it can be a lil tough on starter drives. A better way on the genny is to have a genny shop convert the old 6 volt unit to a full fledged 12 volt genny or just buy another 12 volt unit and a 12 volt VR. Of course, you could also change over to a Negative grounded 12 volt alternator system like many do, its your call.

If its a coil ignition instead of a Magneto (NO change needed), it would be cheapest n easy to add an external series voltage dropping (12 to 6) Ballast Resistor after the switch and ahead of the coil, unless you have a full 12 volt rated coil you wanna use. Change any light bulbs to 12 volts, of course.

If you decide NOT to change, to improve cranking performance, I recommend the biggest highest rated battery that can physically fit into the box and the use of 00 Gauge battery n starter n ground cables with a ground cable as close to or on the starter as possible and be sure the starter switch and starter are both in top condition. If the engines not worn out and shes tuned up real good, even 6 volts ought to still start an M in cold weather with the proper oil and good fuel by milking the starter up n over one piston at a time. However, if anything at all is marginal, thats where the 12 volt can still start her where the 6 volt may fail.

The good Bob M has all sorts of wiring diagrams to get you converted also.

Best wishes

John T

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Nebraska Cowman

02-05-2006 13:58:03




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 Re: 6 or 12 volt? in reply to Mark Co, 02-05-2006 13:14:34  
If you have magneto ignition you can put in a 12 v with no changes. Many times the old generator will put out enough juice to keep it charged. If you have a distributor ignition you will want to add a ballast resitor ahead of the coil. Lots of guys like to update the old generator to a one-wire alternator. You can do this conversion for less than $100. Don't listen to the purests who tell you to keep it 6 volt. Those were ALWAYS a pain in the butt to get started even with a BIG 6 volt battery they always gave trouble, and that was 40 years ago. I don't think they have gotten better. I have 2 Ms on 12 volt systems. One with alternator and the other with original generator. Both work swell, always start and there is no way I would convert them back. When I was a kid and they sold a John Deere on a farm sale it was just a standing joke that the lone Deere was to "tow the Farmalls with"

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old

02-05-2006 14:34:58




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 Re: 6 or 12 volt? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 02-05-2006 13:58:03  
Neb, I do agree with you that 12 volts makes it easyer start. Shoot I only have 2 tractors with 6 volt system on them and thats out of 15 runners that I have. But with the $100 sort of depends on where you are. last one I converted cost me over $100 but that was also haveing to rewire almost every thing



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old

02-05-2006 13:27:40




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 Re: 6 or 12 volt? in reply to Mark Co, 02-05-2006 13:14:34  
8 volt is a bandade fix for a problem 6 volt system, not the right way to fix. 12 volts is also a bandade fix unless you fix the other problems also. My guess is that you have either bad or small battery cables and or a weak starter. Battery cables need to be 0 or 00 size cables, if there auto type cvables there way to small. It could also be that your starter is getting weak and needs to be rebuilt. To switch it over to 12 volts you need an alternator, wireing for the alternator a ballast resister and to change the ground from + to - ground. Cost is up around $100-150 to do this and that doesn't include a 12 volt battery.

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