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F-14 Shutters and Other Things.

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BMC-FFA

01-28-2006 03:49:27




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We are restoring a 1939 F-14. Here are some current questions.
1. Did all F-12's and F-14"s have shutters on the radiator?
2. How do we tell if ours was the Kerosene special and how did they operate (start on gas, run on kerosene??)?
3. Can the belt pulley be disengaged and if not how was the tractor started when the belt was hooked to something (buzz saw etc.) We are not putting a starter on it - only the crank.

Hope to hear from the experts.
David

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J. J. from Afton

01-28-2006 13:37:23




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 Re: F-14 Shutters and Other Things. in reply to BMC-FFA, 01-28-2006 03:49:27  
I just went through this very same thing this week. The F-12s and F-14s had three different engines.

The very first F-12s had Wakashaw engines, while International was still desinging/perfecting theirs.

IH than used two of its own engines, the FL type, which was inteded as a straight gas engine and was used in the F-12s and F-14s.

The last engine was a Kerosene special engine, also used in both, which could be started on gas than switched over to Kerosene or run straight gas.

You should be able to tell what engine it is by the number that is cast on the water jacket on the drivers side of the block. If you cant figure it out, post the number on here, and i or somebody else may be able to help ya.

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Farmallgray

01-28-2006 16:04:29




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 Re: F-14 Shutters and Other Things. in reply to J. J. from Afton, 01-28-2006 13:37:23  
The FL engine WAS the Waukeshaw. That was Waukeshaw's model designation for it.


Looking at the parts book, radiator shutters were available on serial # FS-104537 and up. They were probably standard on kerosene tractors from then on.



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BMC-FFA

01-29-2006 03:16:16




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 Re: F-14 Shutters and Other Things. in reply to Farmallgray, 01-28-2006 16:04:29  
Our tractor has a single fuel tank and when we found it there were shutters. Is it a safe bet that gas tractors came with shutters? The hood was the one with the hole and stiffener in it.
Our serial # is FS 140,can't remember the other three, made in 1939 (?). Does the "FS" make it an International engine?



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Farmallgray

01-29-2006 07:35:39




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 Re: F-14 Shutters and Other Things. in reply to BMC-FFA, 01-29-2006 03:16:16  
It sounds like yours is a gasoline tractor. I believe the shutters were standard on kerosene tractors, but could have been special ordered on a gasoline tractor for use in colder climates. All F-12 and F-14 serial #s start with "FS". The "FL" and FS" are unrelated. FL was was a Waukeshaw motor co. model # for the particular engine that IHC used in the early F-12s. FS was just IH's serial # prefix for the F-12/14 tractors. F-20s used "FA" for a prefix, F-30s used "FB" and Farmall regulars used "QC" and later "T". So the "FS" does not have anything to do with what engine it has. All tractors from FS-3035 and up used the IH engine, so your tractor does have an IH engine.

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J. J. from Afton

01-28-2006 17:49:07




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 Re: F-14 Shutters and Other Things. in reply to Farmallgray, 01-28-2006 16:04:29  
Whatver it was i was told that there was the Wakashaw, The Kerosene special, and IHs own "FL" straight gas type engine, whatvever it was, there were three different engines for the F-12s and F-14s.



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Farmallgray

01-29-2006 07:47:10




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 Re: F-14 Shutters and Other Things. in reply to J. J. from Afton, 01-28-2006 17:49:07  
The Waukeshaw was a gasoline only engine. The IHC kerosene and gasoline engines were basically the same engine with different compression ratios, different manifolds, and carburetors. In some documents (like the parts book) IHC refererred to the Waukeshaw engine as just the "FL" engine. Apparently sometimes they didn't want to admit that they were using an engine from an outside source.



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John M

01-28-2006 06:36:37




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 Re: F-14 Shutters and Other Things. in reply to BMC-FFA, 01-28-2006 03:49:27  
(1)Mine has shutters,but as Cowman said alot had a roll up curatin
(2)If you have 2 fillers necks on the tank,or one small starting tank on the hood,then you have a kerosene version,if only one main tank them its gas.I have never ran my 14 on kerosene and use the small tank simpling to make it easier to fill the carb for starting.
(3)Thats why you see alot of old timers without fingers! My great grandpappy had just what you said hooked to his,he had a special piece of wood he used to hold the clutch pedal down with,but one day it slipped and he walked off missing half of his arm.I may be wrong but seems like there were ways to disconnect the power from the saws and such near the blade.Grandpappys was homebuilt.

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Pale Rider

01-28-2006 05:56:18




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 Re: F-14 Shutters and Other Things. in reply to BMC-FFA, 01-28-2006 03:49:27  
I have a 1936 F-12 which was always gas only.



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Nebraska Cowman

01-28-2006 04:03:04




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 Re: F-14 Shutters and Other Things. in reply to BMC-FFA, 01-28-2006 03:49:27  
No, very few had shutters. Most used a roll up curtain. Most were kerosen, start on gas then switch to kerosene when hot. I suppose gas models would have had only the single fuel tank and a manifold without the heat deflector valve. The belt pulley runs all the time the clutch is engaged. You could have somebody hold the clutch pedal down or prop it with a stick for starting. Also the pulley runs counter-clockwise. Most people took the pulley off when not in use and they are rather hard to find.

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