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changing a D282 with a D310 in a 706

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P Backus

01-21-2006 19:30:26




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Well, what do you guys think? I finished my Magnum up (I"ll post some pics, etc.) and am looking at the 706 now. It has a very tired D282 in it and I figured it"ll need the works, including inj pump and injectors. I was told about a D310 at a salvage yard. It"s in a 715 combine, supposedly with 1778 hrs, runs good, good oil pressure. I can get it for $2500 outright or $2000 with my 282 core. It would include the pump and injectors.
My question is how much extra hassle is it to put the 310 in and is it worth it? Is that a German diesel? How much is different? The throttle linkage would have to go to the other side, what about exhaust, intake, radiator, and clutch/bell housing?
Do you think I"d just be better of rebuilding the 282? How much does that all add up to? Overhaul kit is maybe $800, but what about all the things a person doesn"t think about right away? Anyone have any experiences with this?
Thanks!
Paul

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Hugh MacKay

01-22-2006 02:26:09




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 Re: changing a D282 with a D310 in a 706 in reply to P Backus, 01-21-2006 19:30:26  
Paul: I don't know if this is any better idea, and just maybe you would run into the same problems as with the German engine. I know of a couple of 706 gassers this has been done with and I must admit I'm not close enough to the action to know what problems were encountered.

They went to the 312 and 360 American built engines. Just a thought, but also a lot of unanswered questions. I'd like to hear some of the answers as I know where there is real nice low hour 706 gasser for sale. And now that I'm officially out of trucking, I need a project.

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Quebec Red

01-22-2006 14:14:15




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 Re: changing a D282 with a D310 in a 706 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-22-2006 02:26:09  
Mr. MacKay: I have been away for a while and just learned that you are no longer trucking. I always enjoyed your comments re driving the big rigs. I just do occasional driving when one company is short. I also like to get behind the wheel and crank through the gears. Usually run New England over to the NW of New York, with the odd run to Hogtown - Brampton. Usually drive a Mack with a 450 Mack and a 15 over. Never enough on some New England hills... Good luck in your new venture. Please stay on YT as you are one of the``` Òffical Resident Doctors`. I always make it a point to read all your posts. QR

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Hugh MacKay

01-22-2006 15:02:54




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 Re: changing a D282 with a D310 in a 706 in reply to Quebec Red, 01-22-2006 14:14:15  
Red: Thank you, I'm here because I enjoy being here. That trucking was getting bit much, thus I'm happy not to be there anymore. When I went there he didn't have enough work to attract some young person as a full time job. As I told Tony back in the fall, you've increased and I've decreased. One week last summer I made 2 trips to Detroit and 4 to Hogtown. Got caught 4:30 pm Fri. of a holliday weekend at Allen St., didn't get home until 10 pm, and at 2 am Sat. was headed back to Toronto with another trailer. The 8 year old Mack may take that but the 63 year old flesh is another matter. It was fun, he was a great guy to work for, we had a lot of good laughs. We always had this little thing going about who was the biggest tight wad, a scotsman or a dutchman. It had gone from about 35 hours per week to 60+. He's got a much younger guy there now, seems to be working out.

I have a little job lined up for the summer, going to take a bit more time for me and the Mrs., do a bit more gardening, do a bit more traveling, maybe even invade some of the territory of these YT guys. I don't sleep well away from my own bed, never have, Marg. can tell you a hillarious story about the 3rd night of our honeymoon, almost 41 years ago in Cape Cod. We are planning 3 to 5 day trips. Want to circumnavigate each of Lakes Michigan, Erie and Ontario, and straight south to MO and KY for starters. I've never had a look at northern ON either, so maybe a journey around Huron. As you can see your not far off that beaten path. If I have the Buick you'll know I am a tourist, with the F-150 I'm likely tractor parts shopping.

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Quebec Red

01-23-2006 14:35:56




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 Re: changing a D282 with a D310 in a 706 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-22-2006 15:02:54  
Mr. Hugh: When I took a family vacation out west, on the return trip east of Thunder Bay, I got my eyes opened re hills. We were 4 in the car (a Crown Vic, of course!!), with everything you do not need returning from a 4 week tour. There was a long hill with a passing lane. I was in the right, with my foot looking for more. Coming up in the hammer lane was a semi with both stacks blowing. I lowered my window and I could here his turbo whistling, and I was doing about 75 KPH. He blew by me, and the way he was sitting, he was not empty. I called him on the CB, and asked him what he had for a motor. His answer was-More than you buddie-. He said a Mack 650 with an 18 over, and a 2 speed differential. And sometimes he would get hills at night (?????) that would really pull him done!! And that was after àdjusting the 650! Note to self, next Crown needs the Police Intercepter option. Heard today that St. Thomas Ford factory is going to only one shift. Too bad since I always drove Crowns and before that Galaxies since I was 17. (and Farmalls). QR

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P Backus

01-22-2006 13:00:25




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 Re: changing a D282 with a D310 in a 706 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-22-2006 02:26:09  
Hi Hugh,
That is an interesting thought, using a 312 or 360. Would you happen to know if they have the same basic block as a 282? I see that they (the 312 and 360) both have a 3.875 bore, where the 282 has 3 11/16 bore. I imagine that it would be an easy swap for the 282 if it was the same block. I wonder though if a switch from a gasser to diesel in any form would be a hassle because often they are different in the locations of intake, exhaust, and governor.
I dunno. I guess the "easy" way for me would be to rebuild the 282.
Paul

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Hugh MacKay

01-22-2006 14:25:43




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 Re: changing a D282 with a D310 in a 706 in reply to P Backus, 01-22-2006 13:00:25  
Paul: The American 312 and 360 are the same block, whether they are same dimensions as the 282 I'm not sure. The 312 was used in the 666 and the 360 in the 766 and early 886.

There has to be countless millions of those 360 engines out there in the DT360 version. It saw wide use in single axle trucks, even GM used a few of them. I know they do use a different injection pump than the tractors. I know IH was using it in trucks before 1980, and I still see it in trucks as new as 2003. That was the main reason IH switched the farm tractors to the German engines, demand for that block in trucks outstriped the US plants capability to produce. Probably the highest production engine IH and later Navistar ever turned out. Just about every truck application the engine out lived the truck by a long shot. There has to be a supply of 360 engines out there.

Kind of the same type of story as a friend of mine. A Deere dealer and he put a 404 Deere engine in an new 86 Chevy one ton, changed the complete power train. He told me that for the investment he had in power train, he hoped Chevy built that same cab and chassis for the next 40 years.

My thoughts on the 282, it is now 47 years since the first ones came out. It hasn't been used in any new application since the mid 1970s, no one likes glow plugs in this day and age. How long before the parts supply ends. You put a 312 or a 360 in that 706, even if it costs a bit more, you've got an engine still being produced new.

I remember in 1978 my 560 put 2 pistons through the side of the block. IH dealer at that time wanted $4,000. CAD for a short block that included every thing but head and injectors. It had 11,000 hours on it at 17 years old and I couldn't see spending $4,000. on a tractor that didn't have CatII 3 point hitch. You have the hitch, much different story. I have also heard some concerns about aftermarket piston and sleeve kits on 282s. Seems the shoulder of the sleeve breaks off allowing piston to pull sleeve down into crankcase, at that point piston has to go somewhere. I'm not certain that is what happened with my tractor, but it did have relatively new engine kit that didn't come from IH. I never opened it up, a guy bought the tractor for a puller. With the price of new tractors today, one can afford to spend a few bucks on a good chassis. Just my 2 cents worth.

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JDknut

01-21-2006 20:36:55




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 Re: changing a D282 with a D310 in a 706 in reply to P Backus, 01-21-2006 19:30:26  
I agree with the others about rebuilding the 282 would be a whole lot less hassle and probably less costly than trying to swap in a bigger engine, but one way to get more pep from your existing setup would be to swap in a DT282, a turbocharged version of the D282. Some of the construction equipment used it, I believe.



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the tractor vet

01-21-2006 20:22:05




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 Re: changing a D282 with a D310 in a 706 in reply to P Backus, 01-21-2006 19:30:26  
And buy the time you are done with it you could have rebuilt the 282 compleat and saved yourself a bunch of running calling cussen and throwen things across the shop. Yea the 310 is a better engine but i am out of the lets make this fit and cobbel this and that . if ya want a 706-756 with a 310 then buy one your money ahead and a bunch of time ahead.



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P Backus

01-21-2006 21:19:59




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 Re: changing a D282 with a D310 in a 706 in reply to the tractor vet, 01-21-2006 20:22:05  
Thanks to all! I think that keeping my 282 is good advice. I"m not one who is trying to get more power out of the tractor- I"ve been happy with other 282s that I"ve run, so I think I"ll stick with it. It"s just that i"ve always heard that the 310 is better and I could get a running one,but..... ...not worth the hassle.
Paul



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MN Scott

01-21-2006 20:21:47




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 Re: changing a D282 with a D310 in a 706 in reply to P Backus, 01-21-2006 19:30:26  
You need the longer frame rails off a german 706 or 756. Also the oil pan, front engine cover, front motor mounts, flywheel, throttle linkage, exahust manifold, radiator, assory brackets and some other misc, parts off a german engined tractor, and some need the crank drilled for the pilot bearing. So unless you can find a good doaner tractor you might be better off rebuilding your 282. One other thing to keep in mind is the german with age is famous for leaking sleeve seals so might end up pulling it apart to.

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Aces

01-21-2006 20:14:07




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 Re: changing a D282 with a D310 in a 706 in reply to P Backus, 01-21-2006 19:30:26  
Backus It is longer so you would need side rails off the late 706, pack plate to the TA housing flywheel, front timing cover, oil pan off tractor, starter, just to name a few and you might find most at a junk yard.



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Tim Shaw

01-21-2006 19:51:02




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 Re: changing a D282 with a D310 in a 706 in reply to P Backus, 01-21-2006 19:30:26  
Isn't the 310 longer as well. I'm sure someone will chime in.



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