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Live Hydraulics on M

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F-Dean

01-19-2006 06:17:22




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I would like to put "live" hydraulics on my M. What is the best way? How much will it cost?




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T.B.W.

01-19-2006 13:18:11




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 Re: Live Hydraulics on M in reply to F-Dean, 01-19-2006 06:17:22  
I put a live pump on my 49 M and I love it. Go to Steelwheelranch.com. He can fix you up with what you need. I got a new front cover to take the pump, but I couldn"t get the old one off. The two botton bolts will line up, but the top ones are off a little. I used 2 3/8 eye bolts and made a bracket on the oil fill to hold the top. Been just fine for 2 years. Pump cost about $300 used. The rest is what costs. I have about $2000 in my set up. Hoses, fittings, tank, filter, spool valves etc. But it was worth it. I have a 3 point, a loader and power steering and it all works off the distributor pump.

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Andrew Okey

01-19-2006 15:10:12




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 Re: Live Hydraulics on M in reply to T.B.W., 01-19-2006 13:18:11  
Do you put the power steering in frount of the the spoolvalves or after?
Thanks
AJO



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T.B.W.

01-19-2006 17:07:23




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 Re: Live Hydraulics on M in reply to Andrew Okey, 01-19-2006 15:10:12  
Check out the picture from Allen from NE below. It shows the power steering motor and the diverter valve. Mine is hooked up just like that



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T.B.W.

01-19-2006 15:50:03




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 Re: Live Hydraulics on M in reply to Andrew Okey, 01-19-2006 15:10:12  
You need to get a power diverter. I got mine from Steelwheelranch.com. The power steering get 3 gallons per minute and the rest goes to the spool valves. You run a line from the pump to the power diverter, then one line out of the diverter to the power steering and the other line out of the diverter to the spool valve.



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Andrew Okey

01-19-2006 15:56:05




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 Re: Live Hydraulics on M in reply to T.B.W., 01-19-2006 15:50:03  
Thats what I needed to know.:-) Thanks
AJO



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NDS

01-19-2006 13:16:52




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 Re: Live Hydraulics on M in reply to F-Dean, 01-19-2006 06:17:22  
If you are aqnywhere near cotton country the old 99 John Deere pickers have an excellent belt driven hydraulic pump. They have bolt on bracket about 2 gallon resevoir that can be easily removed and control valves probaly can be adapted. I have one of these old pickers and plan on installing hydraulics on M. Problem is I am to the age where I had rather talk and think about than do it



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j cook (iowa)

01-19-2006 12:34:50




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 Re: Live Hydraulics on M in reply to F-Dean, 01-19-2006 06:17:22  
Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to trade the M for either a 300 or a 400 which already would HAVE live hydraulics?



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Nat 2

01-19-2006 12:24:03




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 Re: Live Hydraulics on M in reply to F-Dean, 01-19-2006 06:17:22  
If your M is a 1950 or newer, then it's got the right front engine cover and timing gears for a factory IH pump. It just bolts on between the distributor and front cover, in place of the casting that is there now. This is an expensive option, though.

If your M is a 1949 or older, then you've got two options for distributor-drive hydraulics:

1. Change out the front cover and timing gears, then add a factory live pump. Expensive to the max.
2. Find an M&W live hydraulic add-on. This will bolt in just like the factory pump, except it's compatible with the older front cover and timing gears. Problem with this one is, it's RARE, almost impossible to find, and really expensive to buy when you do run across one.

Final option is to add a belt-drive pump off the crankshaft. HOWEVER, unless you've got the time, tools, skills, and materials, it looks like a total cob-job, the belt slips, and it doesn't work very well. The belt-drive setup shown in this thread was done by a skilled fabricator and machinist. He turned the pulleys out of raw steel. He fabricated up the bracket. He planned the system properly, and I hear that it works well.

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Steven@AZ

01-19-2006 11:48:43




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 Re: Live Hydraulics on M in reply to F-Dean, 01-19-2006 06:17:22  
Put another pulley on the crankshaft, hang a belt drive pump off the carburetor side of the engine. Could have a complete system for $500 or less if you shop around. Power steering will add about $300 to $450 to that amount. Did it myself on an H, don't let anyone tell you a belt drive pump won't work... Here's some pics:

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An M would be easier since there is more room between the crankshaft and front bolster casting.

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Allan in NE

01-19-2006 10:25:53




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 Re: Live Hydraulics on M in reply to F-Dean, 01-19-2006 06:17:22  
Hi Dean,

I put live hydraulics and power steering on my H. It landed just on the far side of a grand using used parts.

Allan



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Allan in NE

01-19-2006 14:09:04




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 Re: Live Hydraulics on M in reply to Allan in NE, 01-19-2006 10:25:53  
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captaink

01-19-2006 09:05:57




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 Re: Live Hydraulics on M in reply to F-Dean, 01-19-2006 06:17:22  
In MHO the BEST way (also expensive way) is to go with the live pump between the distributor and the timing gear. There was a change made in 1950 to improve the timing gear on the camshaft, some of the older ones with these live pumps had gear problems. However, I’ve had one on my 1950 M, and the gear broke in 1969 but no problems since. It seems to me there was a change in the front cover too.

If you have a loader on the tractor with a supply tank, plumb it directly into the pump and keep the belly pump as a back up. If you don’t have a loader on it, take the belly pump out, get a tank made (or build it yourself) and put it where the belly pump was. On this tank you can use ¾ inch fittings for the input line to the pump. You can plumb the return as you see fit. This setup gives you maximum reservoir capacity and maximum supply to the pump. (You can gut the belly pump and use it for a reservoir but you will be limited to the suction side by the size of the drain hole in the belly pump.)

Mount your self a spool valve somewhere and you are ready to go.

I wish I could give you a cost amount, but all I can say is it won't be cheap.

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old

01-19-2006 07:00:26




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 Re: Live Hydraulics on M in reply to F-Dean, 01-19-2006 06:17:22  
From what little I know about it, you put a hyd pump in the dist drive area. Cost on the other hand, can you say ouch. I have a friend that has a weak hyd pump on his 450 and to get a rebuilt one will cost $600 and a new one $1200



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