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Super C distilate tractor

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Mopar Motivator

01-14-2006 19:44:53




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I have a Super C distilate tractor. Does anyone know how many were made? It came with a mounted 2 bottom disc plow, cultivators and sickle mower.

I have been to tractor shows all over and I have never seen one restored, I have also never seen a complete disc plow like this one either.

I know it has the very low compression c113 motor in it, which is too weak to use for anything.

Is it worth restoring as an original deul fuel tractor or should I put the bigger c123 in it so it can be used?

thanks

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Mopar Motivator

01-16-2006 17:11:53




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 Re: Super C distilate tractor in reply to Mopar Motivator, 01-14-2006 19:44:53  
Thanks for all the info, especially on the plow settings. The plow is close to 20' with the steering linkage laid out in front, it is a bear to mount if it is not blocked up properly before unhooking from center mounting brackets. And, I must confess, the sod I plowed had not been broken in probably 50 years.

I would like to know how many of the tractors were made. If IH's records were as good as Deere's, the little tractor would be worth a mint.

I am going to leave it in original, unrestored condition for now, rust is my favorite color anyway.

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Gene-AL

01-15-2006 10:59:19




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 Re: Super C distilate tractor in reply to Mopar Motivator, 01-14-2006 19:44:53  
I have a McCormick Model A-151 Disk plow with my Super-A which, compared to your description, sounds like about the same plow. The 2-disks sets were available in 5-versions, either 24" or 26" diameter and 3/16" or "1/4" thick. The setup, with a tail wheel steered from the right front wheel of the tractor, manual depth lever, and hydraulic lift seem to be the same, but I don't think it's 20' long. If you had trouble pulling that plow in sod, maybe it's set up for too much width of cut and/or you had it set too deep. I haven't used mine in recent years, but as best I remember, the Super-A pulls the plow just fine in 2nd gear (don't know width of cut setting). According to the plow manual, it can be set for 14", 17" or 20" cut (both discs). To make those adjustments requires changing settings in two places: 1) repositioning the hitch plate (has 7-holes), and 2)When the hitch plate is changed for a different cutting width, then the disc cutting angle must be restored by changing the disc standard angle with an eccentric collar on one of the four 3/4" x 4-3/4" bolts which mount the disc standard to the plow beam. The standard has two sets of three raised ridges on its edges as reference marks to each side of the main beam (standard rotates only a small amount with reference to the beam).

Your engine should'nt have any problem with that plow, unless you expect fast, deep plowing in sod, which is a little much, I think. On second thought, I wonder why your wheels weren't spinning instead of your engine dying in first gear? Hmmm? Timing right? Load needle valve on carb too lean? Check it out and good luck. If the plow came with the tractor, it should work.

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El Toro

01-15-2006 08:20:47




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 Re: Super C distilate tractor in reply to Mopar Motivator, 01-14-2006 19:44:53  
The Super C's had 6 digits in their SN's and the C's had from 3 to 5 in their SN's. Hal



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El Toro

01-15-2006 08:14:13




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 Re: Super C distilate tractor in reply to Mopar Motivator, 01-14-2006 19:44:53  
If it's a Super C the stock pistons should measure
3.125", the C had 3.0" stock pistons. Hal



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gene bender

01-15-2006 05:20:58




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 Re: Super C distilate tractor in reply to Mopar Motivator, 01-14-2006 19:44:53  
Just what makes you think that the engine is too weak to do anything. There were lots of the disc plows sold just depends on where you live. How ,amy mounted corn pickers do you see in FLORIDA or cotton pickers in MONTANA.



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El Toro

01-15-2006 04:34:30




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 Re: Super C distilate tractor in reply to Mopar Motivator, 01-14-2006 19:44:53  
You may have the C Farmall, Super C's had the C-123 engine. If your tractor has the C-113 engine, it can be rebuilt with an oversize sleeve kit to make it 123cid without boring the block. Hal
Need the SN, should be stamped below No1 sparkplug.



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MagMan

01-15-2006 00:37:11




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 Re: Super C distilate tractor in reply to Mopar Motivator, 01-14-2006 19:44:53  
So what makes you think that it is a genuine SC? Just wondering. JON



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Mopar Motivator

01-15-2006 07:03:55




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 Re: Super C distilate tractor in reply to MagMan, 01-15-2006 00:37:11  
I checked the the serial number a few years ago, it's a Super C, and if I recall, it was a fairly late model one.

I bought the tractor and all the equipment off of the original owner about 10 years ago. It has never been painted.

It has the tall grill shell, one piston was stuck and I had to replace the piston and sleeve, thats why I am sure it is a c113.

I have also read in an IH collectors book that a few Super C's were made with the dual fuel option, which was a low compression c113.

It has the 2 fuel tanks, shutters, and a flap that is lever operated in the exhaust manifold to keep the heat up.

The tractor was sold new to a dairy in North Central Arkansas, that is where I bought it.

The farmer bought everything at the same time and had it delivered to his farm, it was the only tractor on a totally self contained 80 acre dairy operation for many years so it has some hours on it, the farmer had held on to horse powered farming until he bought the Super C.


The land was very rocky, hence the disc plow.
He terraced a 40 acre plus hillside pasture using nothing more then the little C with the disc plow.

I wished all the equipment was with it but he had already sold some, he also had bought a hammer mill, corn stalk chopper, 2 -row planter and a disc at the same time as the tractor and the equipment that I did get.

The farm was in the middle of nowhere and apparently still had cheap distilate and kerosene available up into the 50's.

I have tried plowing with it, fresh sod will kill it dead in first gear. Runs good, has quite a bit of blow by though.

It will probably go to parade status either way, maybe a stock tractor pull or 2 locally.

The plow apparatus is about 20' long with a 2 1/2" solid steel beam, steerable tail wheel that links up to the front wheels, depth adjustment handle and lift linkage that links up to the center farmall lift. The whole apparatus looks huge sitting beside the little tractor. There are quite a few disc plows in this area, I have never seen one quite like this though. Most have been cut up for 3 point use I guess.

I was wondering if anyone else had seen a dual fuel Super C??

Was all the equipment painted blue? I have seen blue paint on the cultivators and hardware, nothing is left on the plow though.

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El Toro

01-15-2006 08:10:03




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 Re: Super C distilate tractor in reply to Mopar Motivator, 01-15-2006 07:03:55  
My IH manual has only the C-123 engine listed for the Super C. You need to find the SN on the engine below No1 sparkplug stamped on the block.
I had a Super C with the fasthitch. We had a C too with a 2 bottom moldboard plow. Either tractor had plenty of power for plowing. The plow on the C was a pain to install. Someone may
have changed the block on that tractor with a C-113 block. They can be boosted to 123cid with
an oversize sleeve kit without any machining. I think I would switch to gasoline too. Hal

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Gene-AL

01-15-2006 11:19:36




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 Re: Super C distilate tractor in reply to El Toro, 01-15-2006 08:10:03  
From a picture in the SA manual of that heat stove (no details) it shows a plate with three holes that a short lever's pin can be set in, labeled "cold" (lowest for gas operation - remove manifold shield), "intermediate" (niddle hole), and "hot" (highest, for distilate, the most clockwise rotation of what I would guess is a butterfly valve inside the exhaust outlet). Probably similar to an old Chevy truck "heat riser" in the manifold.

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Mopar Motivator

01-15-2006 09:24:07




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 Re: Super C distilate tractor in reply to El Toro, 01-15-2006 08:10:03  
I dug out the serial # for the tractor,

FC146372 which makes it a 1952 Super C

I did not check the casting number, I do know I had to find a sleeve and piston for a distillate c113 to replace the hole that had water in it.

Page 45 of Guy Fay"s originality guide to Farmall Letter Series Tractors states: "Apparently the few Super Cs produced with kerosene-distillate engines used a 3x4-inch(the c113)engine as well."

And believe me, a c113 distillate motor is no power house. From the size of the craters in the pistons, I bet it is barely 5:1 compression at best.

I am missing a piece of linkage that goes to the heat stove on the exhaust manifold and I can"t find a picture or another example of one to go by.

Thanks

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El Toro

01-15-2006 11:33:48




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 Re: Super C distilate tractor in reply to Mopar Motivator, 01-15-2006 09:24:07  
My manual shows some of the A's, B's & Super A's
had engines with the 5:1 compression ratio. Some of the H's had 4.5:1 to 6.75:1. You may be able to use a 3.250" sleeve kit in that block. Some of the blocks used in the Super A's had thick sleeves. Is there a place for mounting a water pump? Hal



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