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Oh... She got the better of me today.

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Kelly C

01-14-2006 13:41:46




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That 706 does not want to give up those sleeves.
The pulling disks I have just are not accurate enough. I cant for the life of me get the disk not to catch on the side of the cylinder.
I was out there all day and have nothing to show for it.

I even tried to weld a bead along the old sleeve.
That did nothing, cant get it hot enough to shrink it. I ran 3 beads on the #1 and you could touch it right after. All I got out of that was a peice of slag on the deck to fix now.

The disk I have is just a cut out peice of steel. That the guy took a grinder and put a angle on the edge. All that does is slide as you put pressure on the disk.

I need a machined disk with a 3 9/16 lip on it. So it can make a possitve lock to stay lined up.
Grrrr crappy day.

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Trickster

01-15-2006 03:02:40




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 Re: Oh... She got the better of me today. in reply to Kelly C, 01-14-2006 13:41:46  
I just used 2 peices of unistrut back to back with a threaded rod for a puller.The unistrut stops when it contacts the bottom of the block, but by that time the sleeves had moved 3/4 in. and I justpried them from the top. Good luck, JP



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CRUSADER

01-15-2006 01:34:39




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 Re: Oh... She got the better of me today. in reply to Kelly C, 01-14-2006 13:41:46  
Hello Kelly C,

I by no means an expert mechanic, and haven't worked in the trade for a living since 1985. However, there is a little trick that I learned the hard way on a Perkins diesel that was in a MF 1100. Tried everything and the sleeves just would not come out of there. What finally worked was dry ice. Put your sleeve puller set up with a rag/something in the bottom of the sleeve to hold the dry ice. Put the dry ice down the hole that your puling and have as much pressure on the sleeve puller that you can get. The dry ice will help contract the sleeve and allow it to loosen up in the block. This a slow process, but it will pop the sleeves out of there. Keep the pressure on them and increase as often as you can. LOL, along with working on a few other jobs while waiting, it took almost a day and a half for me to pull the six sleeves out of that Massey Ferguson.

This is just an idea that has worked for me on more than one occasion. Good luck with pulling those sleeves whichever process that you use. Please post and let us know how you come out with this task and what process you use that works/worked the best for you.

later days mate,
Jim

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Hobo,NC

01-14-2006 17:26:46




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 Re: Oh... She got the better of me today. in reply to Kelly C, 01-14-2006 13:41:46  
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I have had to weld a piece of steel in'em to git sum'in the knock it out with.



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lee

01-14-2006 17:26:26




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 Re: Oh... She got the better of me today. in reply to Kelly C, 01-14-2006 13:41:46  
You can't just lay a bead on the surface. You need good penetration and evenly spaced beads top to bottom . The molten weld material shrinks as it cools putting tension stress in the sleeve perpendicular to the weld bead. The stresses will tend to pull the sleeve material in radially and distort the diameter, effectivelyy shrinking it. This may be difficult to do with your engine in the tractor and working to weld a vertical bead from the top.

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champspa

01-14-2006 16:56:36




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 Re: Oh... She got the better of me today. in reply to Kelly C, 01-14-2006 13:41:46  
I've used a mig machine to run beads down the cylinders , about 2 or 3 will do it and they will near drop out



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MN Scott

01-14-2006 16:06:28




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 Re: Oh... She got the better of me today. in reply to Kelly C, 01-14-2006 13:41:46  
I had a machine shop cut me a puck. The larger outside dia, is 3.663 and the step is 3.547. These are the spec's out of the OTC catalog and it worked great. I would have had it running today but the manifold gasket that came with the gasket set is the sandwich type that's for the newer 291's and it will not seal the intake ports on a 263. The 263 takes one thats a peice of embossed tin with round sealing rings on each side for the intake ports. I guess its only avaible thru CIH so it will be tuesday before I can get one.

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the tractor vet

01-14-2006 19:30:53




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 Re: Oh... She got the better of me today. in reply to MN Scott, 01-14-2006 16:06:28  
There is no differance between the 263 and the 291 or the 301 it is just a differant mfg. of the gskt . from the 460 thru the 856 gassers they are all the same other then the bigger exhaust pipe .



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wh

01-14-2006 15:09:45




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 Re: Oh... She got the better of me today. in reply to Kelly C, 01-14-2006 13:41:46  
do you have a career tech high school that has a precision maching class near by? might get them to machine you a disk to fit reasonable.



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EL Toro

01-14-2006 15:00:06




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 Re: Oh... She got the better of me today. in reply to Kelly C, 01-14-2006 13:41:46  
You need a puck that's undercut to 3.547" so it will center itself inside the sleeve. The overall diameter of the puck is somewhere around
3.750" and a center hole for the allthread. Hal



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the tractor vet

01-14-2006 14:51:06




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 Re: Oh... She got the better of me today. in reply to Kelly C, 01-14-2006 13:41:46  
Well if you are a good welder and you don't burn thru it takes about six stringers from bottom to top i have done it this way a few times with 7018 and around 90 amp and let it cool stick your hand down the sleeve make a fist and the slide wright out but the best way is a slug with a step and about .010 smaller then the bore and about 3-7 ton of pull



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