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Difference between A and BN?

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RonK

01-11-2006 11:24:46




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Besides a BN having a narrow front and the A having a wide front (any perhaps hydraulics), are they the same tractor?

I"m interested in every detail of the differences between A, B, and BN. I do understand that a BN is a narrowed rear-end B. Also, why are some B"s called "Cultivision" on the name decal, and some are not?

Thanks!!!!




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Jim Becker

01-11-2006 20:07:20




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 Re: Difference between A and BN? in reply to RonK, 01-11-2006 11:24:46  
Gene pretty well summarized the differences. If you are really interested in every detail, get a copy of TC-26F and start reading.



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gene bender

01-11-2006 17:52:59




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 Re: Difference between A and BN? in reply to RonK, 01-11-2006 11:24:46  
The diff between the A and BN would be the BN is 18in wider with a narrow front as the A has a wide front which could be non-adjustable or one with an adjustable front. Engines are the same and transmissions also. The BN being a two row and the A is normal a ONE row although there was a cult for the A that could do up to 6 rows 15in on center called a veggie cult. Same type cult for the BN would do four rows 15 on center as the A could be narrowed down more than the BN. I have both and some implements for them and would be glad to help with more info if you need.

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Hugh MacKay

01-12-2006 04:19:23




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 Re: Difference between A and BN? in reply to gene bender, 01-11-2006 17:52:59  
gene: This discussion has me a bit curious. I've never been around B versions of this Farmall tractor very much, nor have I had much to do with the A. My experience has been SA and later offsets.

I've seen what looks like 3 different versions of the B. First the tractor that is close to 8' wide having long extensions being the B, and a second one with shorter extensions that I gathered was the BN. Am I right so far?

There is a tractor a short distance from me, decal calls it a BN, it has narrow front, but at the rear the final drive assemblies are identical to the A. He indicated to me the tractor is very dangerous as he has upset it to the left several times. Both rear wheels are pressed steel, thus I imagine it is rather unstable. He indicated he had a Super A at another farm with a A-22 sickle mower. I'd almost bet the SA has 2 cast wheels. My question, is this B a real tractor or is it something someone has built from parts? My thoughts are this was a BN and someone broke the left extension found a short shaft and put it back together without the extension.

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Jim Becker

01-12-2006 17:19:21




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 Re: Difference between A and BN? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-12-2006 04:19:23  
Just to throw in a little more detail on the cast wheels. The first A came out with stamped steel wheels on both sides. After a while, the right side was changed to a cast wheel. There was a heavy wheel option for the B that used the same cast wheel on both sides. The heavy wheels used a different axle (slightly different length). Using the heavy wheels was the same as adding one set of wheel weights.

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Nat 2

01-12-2006 05:36:55




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 Re: Difference between A and BN? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-12-2006 04:19:23  
Hugh,

The final drive housings on the A and B are the same. The only difference is the length of the axle extensions between the differential and the final drive housing. That, and the fact that the B/BN is supposed to have one on the left too.

Somebody, somewhere along the line, removed the left axle extension and used an A axle shaft to narrow that BN up. It's not stock, as even back then IH would've been sued into oblivion for producing a tractor that rolls over on a whim like that. If you poke around this guy's place, I'm sure you'll find that axle extension laying in a junk pile somewhere, or under the work bench...

A B should have two pressed steel wheels stock. There would've been no need for the cast wheel on the right because of the left axle should be sticking out to keep the tractor stable.

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billde

01-12-2006 05:33:52




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 Re: Difference between A and BN? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-12-2006 04:19:23  
Hugh, I've seen several "BN" tractors this way. They use the left stub axle from an A. This narrows the tractor so that a 5 foot belly mower is the roughly the width of the tractor. Makes a neat little tractor if you don't mind tipping over on ocassion. The A and SuperA had a cast wheel on the right side to help stabilize the tractor.



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billde

01-11-2006 14:24:18




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 Re: Difference between A and BN? in reply to RonK, 01-11-2006 11:24:46  
You can tell at a glance the difference between a B and a BN, the right side seat support on a BN is tight to the fender a B has a gap. This is one of my pet peeves, unscrupulous or unknowing people trying to peddle B's with an A left drive as the more rare an desirable BN.



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Harold H

01-11-2006 12:52:34




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 Re: Difference between A and BN? in reply to RonK, 01-11-2006 11:24:46  
In addition to the differences below which were the difference between a B and a BN, the B and BN have the same length axle housings on each side making them a two row tractor. The A is short on the left side and has the long housing on the right side only making it a one row tractor. All Farmall tractors with the seat offset on the right were called Cultivision; Farmall Cub, Farmall A, Farmall Super A, Farmall B, and Farmall BN, a marketing term because you sat over the row for good vision for cultivation. The International A, International Super A, and the International Cub Lo Boy were not called Cultivision because they were intended for industrial use, although in practice they were often sold and used for farm use.

Harold H

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mwkellner

01-11-2006 12:19:30




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 Re: Difference between A and BN? in reply to RonK, 01-11-2006 11:24:46  
I can't answer the question, but am also curious. So far we have the difference between A and BN is wide front and narrow front. Anything else.
Red Dave is right, the answers are definately on this forum.



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Red Dave

01-11-2006 12:05:40




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 Re: Difference between A and BN? in reply to RonK, 01-11-2006 11:24:46  
Q: Difference between A and BN? A:8 inches

4 inches on each side. The differential shafts (the thing many people erroneously call an axle) on a B are about 22 inches and on a BN they are about 18 inches. Other than that, just the things that need to be different to accomadate the different lengths, such as: right side seat mounting bracket, draw bar, pedal guard & the foot plate.

A, B & BN use the same engine, transmission, seat, fenders, final drives, wheel weights etc.

Cultivision was a marketing term.

Want to learn? Watch this forum. There are several on here regularly, (such as Jim Becker & gene bender just to name two) who are very knowledgable about these little Farmalls.

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billde

01-11-2006 14:14:49




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 Re: Difference between A and BN? in reply to Red Dave, 01-11-2006 12:05:40  
Dave is correct on the B BN. the A uses a BN shaft on the right side and a seemingly non-existant one on the left side, the final drive bolts right to the diff.



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Red Dave

01-11-2006 12:12:08




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 Re: Difference between A and BN? in reply to Red Dave, 01-11-2006 12:05:40  
If I could read and type, I'd be dangerous:(

You asked about the difference between an A and a BN, my brain answered with the difference between a B and a BN.


Sorry



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scotty

01-11-2006 11:41:16




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 Re: Difference between A and BN? in reply to RonK, 01-11-2006 11:24:46  
Ron, I think you answered all your own questions. The BN is the narrower version of the B as you stated.
As far as the Cultivision, I believe that was an advertising name for the offset tractors, A, B, BN, Super A.


scotty



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