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tn terry t

01-10-2006 03:23:53




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i put this on the truck fourm and got no responce so i thought i would try you guys i have a 80 model f150 4x4 that i run parts for my farmalls the brake mastercylinder keeps leaking fluid from around the top seal i have replaced the seal or gasket from the top it will hold a day or two and starts leaking again the cylinder is almost new and has good pedal you guys think maybe its buildind back pressure somehow and makung it leak? or maybe the drums are wore our causing too much fluid being needed to work the rear shoes and is back feeding when pedal is released? grasping at straws i know . i just dont know hope someone can help thanks

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John F in MD

01-11-2006 17:03:57




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 Re: OT truck problems in reply to tn terry t, 01-10-2006 03:23:53  
I had the exact same problem on my 93 Dodge. The rear half of the cylinder would go down and the front half would overflow. There was an internal leak. I replaced the master cylinder, problem solved.



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PAULIH300

01-10-2006 16:07:28




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 Re: OT truck problems in reply to tn terry t, 01-10-2006 03:23:53  
Its not unheard of.Either Car & Driver or Motor Trend tested a 1980 Bronco back in the day,and the same thing happened to the point of losing all of their fluid.The power steering belt flew off too.It was a 300-6 with manual 4speed.
I would say a screwed up master cyl,but I wouldnt fill it to the very tip top even if you replace it.And make sure to get a new (chrome??) cap and rubber gasket too.

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tn terry t

01-10-2006 16:03:33




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 Re: OT truck problems in reply to tn terry t, 01-10-2006 03:23:53  
hey guys just got home from work. as suggested i changed the rubber hoses sunday adjusted the rear shoes the slack adjusters where all way in meaning real loose brakes adjusted up, nice pedal now but still pushing fluid out. its the darndest thing i have ever seen like i said i put a new gasket in sunday drove it home and leaking yesterday it will leak out enough fluid to get air in the system meaning leaking almost all fluid out of the rear brakes reservoir. it normaly takes a week or so to do this like i said beatenest thing i ever seen . guess ill go get another mastercylinder and try that THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR REPLIES!!!!! !! TERRY T

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Randy S.E.-MN.

01-10-2006 13:27:25




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 Re: OT truck problems in reply to tn terry t, 01-10-2006 03:23:53  
Your not overfilling the res. are you? I always fill to 3/8" or so from the top. You cannot force out more than you could put in. Also check M/C pushrod length...if to long could cause problem.



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John in NE

01-10-2006 10:39:47




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 Re: OT truck problems in reply to tn terry t, 01-10-2006 03:23:53  
This is strickly a guess,but my wife used to have a '90 Crown Victoria. Anyway the rubber hoses to the front brakes started to go bad and would expand,when they contracted it would cause a little leakage around the master cylinder.You might check your rubber brake lines. John.



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P Backus

01-10-2006 08:12:48




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 Re: OT truck problems in reply to tn terry t, 01-10-2006 03:23:53  
There is no way that the master cylinder can "pressure up" the resevoir area, even if it is a bad master cyl, like some suggested. Unless I"m missing something here, if it was bad, it would just let brake fluid get past the piston, and the only thing that would cause is a soft or descending pedal. In order to put pressure in the master, it would have to "get" fluid from somewhere else, which it can"t do.
You said it"s almost new; is it an aftermarket new master cyl? I"m wondering about the condition of the sealing surface on the top of the resevoir. Is it just a rough casting? If you had a milling machine, I"d take it off and mill it just enough to make it clean and flat and smooth. Maybe even a mill file across the top would do the trick, but make sure the filings don"t get in the fluid.
Paul

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captaink

01-10-2006 06:18:30




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 Re: OT truck problems in reply to tn terry t, 01-10-2006 03:23:53  
One thing at a time.

You say that you have good pedal, I presume you are not “pumping” the brakes to get them to hold, so no, the worn drum theory isn’t the problem. As far as back pressure in the cylinder, this would have to be caused by spring tension returning the drum shoes or pressure from a front caliper piston being pushed back into its bore. The later is a possibility if you have a warped rotor, however I’m thinking it would have to warped so bad that you would have a very noticeable “pulse” in your break pedal when you apply your brakes.

Go with Allen’s comment, make sure the level is correct and have someone work the brakes. You should see the return back to the reservoir and make a small fountain. Make sure the gasket is flat in the cover and installed properly allowing it to “suck down” into the reservoir as the brakes wear. The spring clip that holds the cover should really snap down tight on the cover. If this all looks good, you likely need a new master cylinder.

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El Toro

01-10-2006 05:28:02




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 Re: OT truck problems in reply to tn terry t, 01-10-2006 03:23:53  
I think your mastter cylinder is defective too. If you decide to replace it, don't forget to bench bleed it before installing. Hal



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Allan in NE

01-10-2006 05:06:27




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 Re: OT truck problems in reply to tn terry t, 01-10-2006 03:23:53  
Terry, I dunno.

I would pull the cap, have your wife work the pedal and watch that reservoir.

When the pedal is pushed, there should be a slight amount of artesian(ing) until the pistons move past the intake ports, but there shouldn't be a whole lot of pressure in there to speak of. If there is, I think you have a bad master cylinder.

Are you turning the baffle/cap seal in backwards on itself before you put it on? Lower fluid level over time should pull it outwards.

Hope you get 'er figured out,

Allan

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Janicholson

01-10-2006 09:07:44




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 Re: OT truck problems in reply to Allan in NE, 01-10-2006 05:06:27  
The others are correct brake fluid could only exceed the initial level if it was materializing from another universe.
Put a piece of glass over the open cylinder and use a .001" feeler gauge under the glass "feeling" for distortion all around the edge. If it is within .001, it is probably reasonable. If it is then check the cap, it could be bent. You might need to cut a piece of glass to put into the recess. (cut with enough pressure to score the glass with one pass, then tap on the nonscored side to break it. Wear safety glasses, and brush off your hair, eyelashes, and eyebrows with your face turned downward.)

Bend the cap flat if it is warped.
Use one or more stacked slivers of aluminum cut from a popcan to shim up the cap between the cap and diaphram in the area of the low spot if it is the cast body that is deformed.
Good luck, JimN

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