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Super A cooling question

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Slappy

01-06-2006 03:02:04




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I'm restoring my '50 Super A and am thinking of putting a small front-end loader on it. The tractor originally had the thermosiphon cooling system, but I am wondering if it may be prone to overheating if I work it hard with the loader.

I could add a water pump if needs be, but if I do, should I also add a temperature gauge (it didn't have a gauge originally)? If I add the pump and guage I am thinking that shutters may also be helpful in getting and keeping the tractor at operating temperature.

Finally, does anyone know what year water pumps, and associated hardware became a factory option on the Super A's?

Thanks for your opinions and help.

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Hugh MacKay

01-06-2006 03:38:04




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 Re: Super A cooling question in reply to Slappy, 01-06-2006 03:02:04  
Slappy: Water pumps became a reality on Super A in 1954 at serial number 356001, with the increase in cubic inches from 113 to 123. The C to SC receive this same upgrade in in 1951. Since the block never really changed externally, that same water pump can be added to any of these engines all the way back to 1939. Temperature control will be a bit more of a chalange as the SC and SA after serial 356001 had a higher radiator to accomidate a thermostat.

I fail to see where you think a front end loader is going to create substancial demand on your tractors cooling system. Front end loaders have never created any great load for tractor engines, all the way from a Super A to a 1466. There are only two ways to load a two wheel drive tractor engine to anyways near it's limit, and that is at the end of the PTO shaft or the hitch, be it drawbar, 3 point or fast hitch.

I would have a lot more concern about a Super A front end and castings standing up to a loader than anything else on the tractor. About the only engineering that ever went into putting front end loaders on these little tractors was customer demand. About all IH engineers would have said back then was make sure the loader wont lift more than 500 lbs.

I suppose you may encounter some cooling problems when you break the front off that block casting, but a water pump wont cure that problem.

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Slappy

01-06-2006 08:37:37




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 Re: Super A cooling question in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-06-2006 03:38:04  
Thanks Huge, that helps. The reason I was considering a loader, was that a friend of mine had a small loader made by Wagner on on his AC and it is quite handy for small jobs around his place. Right now my SA doesn"t really do much on our small farm. I use the H all the time for bush hogging, fencing, spreading fertilizer and the like, and a front end loader on the tractor may just be more of a pain than a help. My Cub does mowing and blade duty and is too small, in any event, for a loader (although I do know that IH made a loader for the Cub). Perhaps I need to convince my wife that we need that M I"ve alwasy wanted to put that loader on.

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Gene-AL

01-06-2006 07:37:37




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 Re: Super A cooling question in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-06-2006 03:38:04  
I've never experienced any cooling problems with a '51 thermo-syphon SA over a lot years of use except when the radiator screen & fins accumulate too much trash from 'hogging thick field growth almost as high as the tractor. Shutters, temperature gauge, manifold heat control valve, and dual fuel tank were only furnished on those tractors equipped for distillate or kerosene fuel. The cooling system can't be pressurized without changing the radiator since an expansion overflow tube is located inside below the filler neck.

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