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sgt bull

01-04-2006 09:42:16




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I have a 1940 model H with what appears to be a replacement engine. Engine has a dipstick, and the fuel pump boss had been ported and had tapped holes...now has a cover on it. I'm guessing it may have come from a combine, and could be the 153 engine instead of the 152. Can anyone advise what the compression should be? it's worn and all cylinders have about 55 lbs. Also, where does the extra inch displacement come from? would the 153 have the same bore and stroke as the 152, just a different head perhaps? They do appear to have different gasket kits. How can I determine for sure which engine I have? the only casting #s are on the rt side, consisting of stamping "6937" followed by cast letters "DF" above oil filter, "3.23.W" above distributor, and "6" below #4 spark plug. Local Case IH dealer was no help

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P Backus

01-04-2006 21:54:37




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to sgt bull, 01-04-2006 09:42:16  
The head has nothing to do with the displacement of an engine- it"s purely a function of the bore and stroke. It looks like you"ve got it all figured out, but I thought I"d just throw my 2 cents in on that. :>)
Paul



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JiminIA

01-04-2006 17:50:34




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to sgt bull, 01-04-2006 09:42:16  
My dad has a generator with an H motor my grandfather bought in the 40's. It has a fuel pump and dipstick all original. So I would agree it is from a power unit....Just thought I would add my 2 cents....Jim



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John M

01-04-2006 14:13:15




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to sgt bull, 01-04-2006 09:42:16  
From my past experience, that is an International replacement engine,built on a line just like any other IH engine.Its sole purpose was to be a repalcement engine for whatever application it was needed for,hence the grinding off of the casting numbers and restamped.One number stamped for tractors,another for power units,another for whatever.....Youll also find there is no engine serial number. Since it has a dipstick, it was probably made for a power unit. I have two of these replacement engine on Ms I have.

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sgt bull

01-04-2006 17:21:05




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to John M, 01-04-2006 14:13:15  
John, thanks...you're probably right on the money..no engine serial # to be found other than the handstamped #...I'm gonna crack it open and find out what i've got here in a few weeks..got another one infront of the bench to finish up first...I'm guessing that a conventional overhaul gasket kit for a straight "H" will do the trick, and we'll just have to see what it has for piston rings when i get in...thanks.

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Hugh MacKay

01-04-2006 13:51:21




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to sgt bull, 01-04-2006 09:42:16  
sgt bull: I've read most of this thread. I guess you've already decided it's not a C-153. The C-153 never came along until the late 50s and is a much lighter block than those used in H, SH, 300 and 350. Like Cowman said it looks more like a bored out SC engine. It does not have sleeves, like most IH engines of that era. The first tractor IH put the C-153 in was the 504 gas version.

If for any reason you decide it is a C-153, I would unload it before I even looked inside. They weren't much of an engine compared to the pre 1958 4 cylinder IH gas engines. I bought a 504 once, part of a farmers complete line of equipment. At 1,500 hours it was at the IH dealers having an engine rebuild. When it came home the vendor wanted to operate it for a day. I hooked him up to the 9' haybine, he mowed for 10 hours. At the end of the day he advised me to unload the tractor and keep my old Farmall 300 with 15,000 hours. He knew I was planning to trade 300 on a new 1066.

Just to satisfy my own mind, I took 300 and 504 both to field one day along with a No.60 3x16 plow. Remember IH and Nebraska tests pegged the old 300 in the area of 35 hp and the 504 at 46 hp. I can tell you that Hugh MacKay's plow test will not confirm what IH and Nebraska said. My old 300 smoked that 504 on that day. That was in the summer of 1975. I have to say, at 33 years of age it was my first disappointment with an IH tractor. Within two weeks it went down the road and the old 300 stayed.

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sgt bull

01-04-2006 17:16:11




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-04-2006 13:51:21  
Hugh, thanks for the info...yeah, I was under the false impression that the 153 was like a 152 externally...now i'm leaning more towards its being a power unit or rebuild as others have suggested...still leaves me with the ? of what the compression readings should be...i'm sure 55 lbs is kinda on the low side...at least their consistant..i put some 30 wt oil in each cylinder with only marginal increase in psi...like 3 or 4 lbs... it smokes some and fouls plugs...i'm guessing guides and rings combined....

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randy hall

01-04-2006 11:25:50




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to sgt bull, 01-04-2006 09:42:16  
your block is most likely a factory rebuilt one. they were machined to use on all applications like power units and other uses. are the casting numbers partially ground off and replaced with some other numbers stamped on?



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sgtbull

01-04-2006 11:52:04




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to randy hall, 01-04-2006 11:25:50  
Randy, that sounds pretty plausible....the casting appears to have been ground on the block just above the oil filter...it has a stamped # of 6937, followed by cast letters "DF"....some of my club buddies and i discussed the possibility of it coming from a power unit...the fuel pump was what threw a wrench into it...most power plants would have had gravity feed fuel i thought...looks like i'lljust have to crack it open to find out for sure

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RustyFarmall

01-04-2006 11:18:57




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to sgt bull, 01-04-2006 09:42:16  
sgt.bull, I have an old H with the same type of set-up, boss machined out for a fuel pump, but a cover plate installed. These engines apparently were stationary power units, irrigation pumps, etc.



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sgtbull

01-04-2006 11:54:47




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-04-2006 11:18:57  
Rusty, could you look at your engine sometime and see if, right above the oil filter, it has a place ground off on the block and numbers apparently freehand stamped? Mine has 6937 stamped, followed by cast letters "DF".....above the distributor was 3.23.W...a casting date i s'pose.



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RustyFarmall

01-04-2006 13:48:42




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to sgtbull, 01-04-2006 11:54:47  
The 3*23*W is the date casting code-- march 23, 1951. I don't know about the other number, mine has not been ground off, and in raised letter mine has C-164, which is the engine used in super Hs. On second thought, I think your 6937DA is the part number for the engine block, why it was ground off and then restamped is a mystery.



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Nebraska Cowman

01-04-2006 09:58:06




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to sgt bull, 01-04-2006 09:42:16  
Naah, the 153 is a bored C engine, much smaller block. Mabe you have a 175 out of a 300 or 350



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350 HU Don

01-04-2006 19:47:04




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-04-2006 09:58:06  
The 300 used a C169 engine, while the 350 used the C175 engine. There was about 4 hp difference in those two engines.



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sgt bull

01-04-2006 10:15:43




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-04-2006 09:58:06  
okay, much as i hate to admit it, i'm more of a "green" guy than a red one..(although i've worked over f-20s, f-14s, a super c and a super H.....) How do I determine if its a 175, short of popping the head off? I'm guessing that the `75 HAS to have a larger bore or stroke...surely there is a casting # that would be a clue, right?



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DWV

01-04-2006 12:28:09




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to sgt bull, 01-04-2006 10:15:43  
With the casting # you have its a regular H bore size.



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Nebraska Cowman

01-04-2006 10:51:42




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to sgt bull, 01-04-2006 10:15:43  
you can't overhaul it without taking the head off anyway. You'll find out what you have soon enough.



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sgt bull

01-04-2006 11:19:27




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-04-2006 10:51:42  
yeah, i know...just kinda hate to pull it apart just yet...right now, i can start it and move it around my shop and out of my way...when it comes time to tear it down, i kinda like to have already done the phone and leg work to make sure i can get the parts i need to work it over..(reasonably) i'm debating whether to work it over and keep it or just peddle it as is..the wrench work i don't mind, but i'd like to avoid a nasty surprise when it comes to the parts bill. I have a # 5 mower i cut hay with, currently mounted on a 40 JD "B"..but its foot lift. The hydraulics on the "H" would be awful handy...

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Dave_Id

01-04-2006 10:24:36




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to sgt bull, 01-04-2006 10:15:43  
Dropping the pan would be a lot less work than pulling the head, you can also measure the stroke



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old

01-04-2006 09:46:54




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to sgt bull, 01-04-2006 09:42:16  
Maybe an engine from a militry tug tractor. I had one of them and the engine was the same as an H other then haveing a fuel pump and a couple other little things.



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Bill from wisc

01-04-2006 17:01:33




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to old, 01-04-2006 09:46:54  
I own a AV14 shop mule that was built for the military and it has the engine that has the dip stick and fuel pump. That may well be the style of motor thats in that h tractor. I havent looked at the casting numbers of mine. We bought it oringally for the engine for one of our h tractors but since deceided to restore it.



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sgt bull

01-04-2006 09:55:10




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to old, 01-04-2006 09:46:54  
A buddy of mine has one of those tugs. I believe it had the same 152 cu in engine..mine is just like a conventional H engine in all regards externally except for the dipstick and fuel boss. Wendel lists the 153 engine as being used on the 93 and 203 combines...I've been told they were frequently used as replacements. I've also been told they have a little better bottom end..not sure if that's true or not. It would make sense that this one could have come off of a combine, having had a fuel pump an all

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old

01-04-2006 10:02:06




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 Re: unusual model H engine in reply to sgt bull, 01-04-2006 09:55:10  
The one I had was the same engine as the H, I even had the numbers run to make sure. The dip stick had a wing nut sort of end on it which I thought was sort of funny in some ways but you know how MIL psecs can be. LOL



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