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OT - Fuel mileage north of the border

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haymeadow52

12-30-2005 19:44:50




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I happened to hit the "US / Metric" button on my fuel mileage calculator in the truck and noticed that the US reading is in "MPG" but the Metric reading is "L/100km". Now I know this board has a great number of "north of the border" members, so I pose the question...Is that the standard in Canada for figuring fuel mileage? liters per 100 kilometers? if so, why not km/liter? Just thought I"d ask. Thanks and Happy New Year.

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George 2

12-31-2005 15:35:13




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 Re: OT - Fuel mileage north of the border in reply to haymeadow52, 12-30-2005 19:44:50  
In the late 1970's that stupid Liberal Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau pushed us hook line and sinker in the metric system. It is still a bastardized system 30 years later. For example all my yields are still in bu/acre and we get paid in $/bu for our crops. For a while they quoted them in $/tonne. No one seemed to understand so the local elevators went back to $/bu. Same with spraying as rates are quoted in liters/acre now instead of gallons per acre. They tried pushing liters/hectare but no one liked that. I think if Trudeau had half a brain he would of realized that you can't convert a country over night and that it will take many many years to do so. I still figure out my gas mileage in miles per gallon. No one uses that stupid liters/100 km except the car companies on their new car window stickers.

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Hugh MacKay

01-01-2006 03:28:32




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 Re: OT - Fuel mileage north of the border in reply to George 2, 12-31-2005 15:35:13  
George: How many billions of dollars has this cost us? The only way this would had a chance is if all North America had made the change at the same time. I guess Trudeau figured he was going to detach our land mass at the US border, and float us to Europe. Just imagine how far in debt Canada would be had he tried that one.

The other Trudeau idea that continues to cost us millions everyday is bilingualism. Every package of goods we buy must have the two official languages, but does not require all ingrediants to be listed. I have two small packages on my desk right now, print is so fine I can't read it without a magnifing glass. Now I do agree at 63 my arms are not long enough to read the newspaper anymore without glasses. I think the companies that produce some of these items like the idea of keeping us in the dark.

The interesting fact on this language issue, the Quebecois were 1st off the mark trading south of the border. How many folks down there bothered to talk with them in two official languages? Couple that with the fact Trudeau was dumping so much of our federal tax dollars into Quebec, it allowed them to be competitive south of the border. Now we blame our last 4 Prime Ministers for the debt our country now carries. "BULLFEATHERS"

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SAm in NS

12-31-2005 12:35:09




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 Re: OT - Fuel mileage north of the border in reply to haymeadow52, 12-30-2005 19:44:50  
The other problem I find it gives me, if you are comparing some things in MPG and then you look at L/100k the numbers start going the other way. For example in MPG the bigger the number the better, in L/100k the smaller the number the better. Easy to get caught out. SAm in NS



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Michael Soldan

12-31-2005 12:03:21




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 Re: OT - Fuel mileage north of the border in reply to haymeadow52, 12-30-2005 19:44:50  
Yes folks its S.I. System International which is the metric system and it was sold to Canadians in the early 70's as the coming age of international trade throughout the world. It has always been used in labratories and in the scientific community and it was not that difficult to learn, however I always convert back to Miles per gallon. So here goes...There are 4.55 liters in an imperial gallon, or 4 liters in a US gallon. So your calculations can go either way here. Next a kilometer is 5/8ths of a mile, the mile being standard. So if I drove 800 kilometers I would multiply by 5/8ths so thats 500 miles. Then I take the number of liters I used, lets say 80. 80 liters divided by 4.55 = 17.58 gallons(imperial)...so 500 miles ,using 17.58 gallons...500 divide by 17.58= 28.44 MPG in imperial. If I was driving in the States I would divide the US gallon into 500 (or 4 liters) so 20 US gallons divide into 500 =25 MPG US Gallon..thus I can take mileage either way by imperial or US gallons..imperial sounds like better mileage only because it is a bigger volume and Like Quebes Red says..it doesn't make the fuel cheaper or the tank any bigger..its just a way for gasoline companies to really rip us off. Gasoline is 93.7 per liter here this morning..thats $3.74 8/10ths a US gallon,convert our money at .83 US or 17% difference and you get $3.10 a US gallon...are we getting ripped off???? ..... Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Bob M

12-31-2005 13:08:32




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 Re: OT - Fuel mileage north of the border in reply to Michael Soldan, 12-31-2005 12:03:21  
Michael -

One minor point of correction: 1 gallon US = 3.785 liters.....NOT 4 liters.

So in the US you will be seeing 23.67 miles/gallon, instead of 25 mpg as in your example.

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Regarding US/Canadian gas price comparisons, using your $CDN .937/L pump price, and a .83 $CDN to $US exchange rate, the calculation becomes:

.937 $/L x 3.785 L/galUS x .83 $US/$CDN = $2.95 US per gallon.

This is not quite the $3.10 as you suggest. But the bottom line is you guys north of the border still are paying a LOT more for gas than we are here in NY State (currently avaraging about $2.45, which incidentally is near the high end of US gas prices).

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Have a safe and Happy New Year!

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Quebec Red

12-31-2005 13:31:29




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 Re: OT - Fuel mileage north of the border in reply to Bob M, 12-31-2005 13:08:32  
After Katrina local gas hit 1.349 a litre for a few days ( 40 miles west of Montreal, Quebec). In Montreal for a couple of hours Exxon (Esso here) went to 2.379 a litre. To day .954 seems to be the going rate. Last week .865 was the price at Hawkesbury, Ontario. And as luck would have it, the Crown Vic needs a big drink. Howcome-when I go by the cheaper places, my tank is usually 7/8ths full????? ???? NEVER fails. QR Canadian dollars, `metric litres`.

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Hugh MacKay

12-31-2005 15:52:33




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 Re: OT - Fuel mileage north of the border in reply to Quebec Red, 12-31-2005 13:31:29  
Red: My Buick does the same thing, went to the local Petro Can the other day for an item other than gas. I noticed they had the price down to .829 / L. Pulled the Buick around to the pumps, 17 L was all it would hold. I went in to pay for it and asked him if that .829 gas was going to blend well with .899 gas already in the car. Oh well, I drove by again today and see he has .929 gas there now. He's just making sure folks don't drink and drive during New Year's festivities. I'm betting it will hit .845 by Tues.

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Farmallkid From Ont,

12-31-2005 10:11:56




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 Re: OT - Fuel mileage north of the border in reply to haymeadow52, 12-30-2005 19:44:50  
Ya, i think km\Lt would make more sense, but if it's L\100k then i geuss thats what it is. Our car has that button to, i think but could be wrong, that it is 7 litres per 100k, it's been awile since i looked at the metric, we can get about 35 mpg on highway and about 20-25 in town, our van about the same, dads truck get 24-25 mpg. The car is a 96 Old's 98, the van is a 94 safari, and the truck is a 02 chevy 4x4.

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CNKS

12-31-2005 09:21:51




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 Re: OT - Fuel mileage north of the border in reply to haymeadow52, 12-30-2005 19:44:50  
I'm not from Canada, but I have no objection to the metric system -- I think it was also supposed to become law in the US in the 70's also, but too many people complained and killed it off. The oz, lb, qt, gal, etc US system is archaic. I worked in a chemistry lab for several years, which has always been metric, and easily adapted to it; except when I have to convert ounces to grams, etc, which cannot be done (by me) without a calculator. Everyone would be used to it my now, if it had occurred. The metric system is a mainly 1's, 10's, 100's, 1000's etc, so the liters/100 km converts to gallons/62.5 miles in US. That would be clutzy in the US, but should work for Canada just fine--as would km/liter -- whichever a person gets used to.

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Hugh MacKay

12-31-2005 16:30:48




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 Re: OT - Fuel mileage north of the border in reply to CNKS, 12-31-2005 09:21:51  
CNKS: Shortly after the conversion to metric in Canada, I had some used barn equipment for sale. A young Dutch lad (born in Canada) and his dad ( a landed immigrant) came to look at what I had for sale. The young lad, slightly younger than myself but both of us had gone through the school system on the Imperial system. Anyhow the young lad and my self were trying to convert Imperial to Metric with some degree of difficulty. Finally the old man said, " How would you young fellows feel had you been completely confused twice in your life." The old man had been schooled in Holland on Metric, came to Canada in the early 50s, learned a new language plus Imperial system, and here he was in the mid 70s as well as his mid 70s going back to Metric.

We complained, we growled and most of us that grew up on Imperial, have still never completely converted. I could give you dozens of examples where we still use the old system. I will agree the Metric system is much faster mathmatically.

I for one use a dual system, just to give you one example, I am still an ACRES man. Since 1972 I have converted every spray chart I own or have to litres per acre. On the other hand I've very much adapted to the kilometer. For about 15 years, I had not been to the US. One of the first things I noticed on going state side, was how far a mile is. It takes a lot longer for me to get where you folks are going. At least most Americans, I've been around tend to think of me as being rather impatient when it come to distance.

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CNKS

12-31-2005 18:10:03




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 Re: OT - Fuel mileage north of the border in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-31-2005 16:30:48  
Been to Canada once, to Edmunton in 1987 or so -- Biggest problem I had was trying to buy something and figuring the exchange rate -- along with converting km to miles on the highway, as you did.



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Quebec Red

12-31-2005 08:40:03




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 Re: OT - Fuel mileage north of the border in reply to haymeadow52, 12-30-2005 19:44:50  
Just another stupid example of these northern governments doing a real fine job of screwing up a logical system (mpg). Miles per gallon converted to metric should be measured as kilometres per liter. But that would be too easy. The metric system is in itself is a super system . HOWEVER, anyway ypu measure when your truck coughs and then dies and you say -OH Heck, you are out of fuel no matter how you measure. A number of years ago a large commercial plane ran out of fuel just because some not so smart individual mixed up converting. Either you measure Imperial or Metric-do not try to convert. Neither makes the price cheaper or the tank bigger!!QR

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chip man

12-31-2005 01:12:14




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 Re: OT - Fuel mileage north of the border in reply to haymeadow52, 12-30-2005 19:44:50  
In the late 70's the federal gov't decided that canada should be metric, and they decided that vehicles should be rated by fuel consumption, not by fuel mileage. I generaly ignore the official stats.



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