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John Quillen

12-14-2005 06:25:18




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First of all Merry Christmas to all. I left word to Santa to get me a Multimeter for Christmas. The problem is deciding what to have him get!! I've been told that Blue Point makes a Multimeter (EEDM503/504) that would be an all purpose meter for use on checking wiring etc. out on old tractors and be able to trouble shoot house wiring also. Others say Fluke is the way to go. Any recommendations for an all around Meter that would be easy for the novice to use around the shop? Price range up to $100-150.

Thank You

John

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Ron Sorden

12-14-2005 15:11:28




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 Re: Multimeters in reply to John Quillen, 12-14-2005 06:25:18  
I personally prefer the digital and have had a Craftsman for over 5 years (same one). Besides the extreme accuracy of it I really appreciate the fused capability. It's cheaper replacing a fuse than the entire multimeter every time you mistakenly have it set for the wrong function and burn it out.

Ron



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rumplestiltskin

12-15-2005 06:49:42




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 Re: Multimeters in reply to Ron Sorden, 12-14-2005 15:11:28  

Ron:

Thanks for mentioning fuses.

I let a friend use one of my cheapie analog units, and it came back with a blown fuse. Guess what -- Radio Shack doesn't carry a fuse for its own meter!

I ended up ordering a little current limiter, about half the size of a jumbo LED (don't remember the actual name of it) from Digi-Key. It was the closest value I could find that was less than the 315mA fuse. I soldered it to the fuse leads, and it's worked fine ever since.

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Bob, Nor MN

12-14-2005 12:31:02




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 Re: Multimeters in reply to John Quillen, 12-14-2005 06:25:18  
rumplestilskin has it right, buy one of each, cheap, we are not working on a space vehicle, just old iron. If it drops and gets busted or if you aren"t in a good mood and throw it against the wall you aren"t out much.



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John Quillen

12-14-2005 10:53:02




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 Re: Multimeters in reply to John Quillen, 12-14-2005 06:25:18  
Thanks one and all for your detailed inputs! I truly appreciate it. I forgot to mention in my opening remarks that I have an old Simpson Model 260, but I'm sure it needs to be calibrated and I can't find replacement batteries, ( You know the ones that look like a stick of dynamite)

I will more than likely ask Santa to just bring me a couple meters instead of one. One good Digial and one inexpensive Analog as Jim N.recommends.

Thanks again.

John

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John Quillen

12-14-2005 20:19:22




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 Re: Multimeters in reply to John Quillen, 12-14-2005 10:53:02  
Thanks for your comment Chuck.

John



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chuck kaufman

12-14-2005 18:35:22




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 Re: Multimeters in reply to John Quillen, 12-14-2005 10:53:02  
I found one of those odd ball batteries for my Simpson at Radio shack they had to order it and it took forever and a day to come but I got one,just hope they last 30 years or so.



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fredthefrog

12-14-2005 09:14:14




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 Re: Multimeters in reply to John Quillen, 12-14-2005 06:25:18  
I echo Bob M's comments. My fluke goes everywhere with me. I use it at work and at home on AC & DC circuits. Half the time it rattles around the bottom of the tool bag with no protection.



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gene (missouri)

12-14-2005 08:59:17




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 Re: Multimeters in reply to John Quillen, 12-14-2005 06:25:18  
I own one of the Fluke digital meters - works great. However, for general automotive and electrical work for the homeowner/hobbist one of the cheap $15.00 analog (needle)meters will work just as well.

Gene



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Nebraska Cowman

12-14-2005 07:59:31




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 Re: Multimeters in reply to John Quillen, 12-14-2005 06:25:18  
yeah, I like the cheapie $15 ones myself. But far and away the most of my trouble shooting is still done with my plier handles. Save your money and buy a new Pendelton wool shirt. Ya, I'm a practical guy.



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Bob M

12-14-2005 07:11:49




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 Re: Multimeters in reply to John Quillen, 12-14-2005 06:25:18  
John - A very Merry Christmas to you also...

I"ve had excellent luck with Fluke DVM"s. My model 77 has worked flawlessly (and been horribly abused....) for 12+ years. I also acquired a model 87 III a few years ago which seems similarly robust.

Unlike a cheap Radio Shack unit (model unknown) I also have, the Fluke"s work fine on the "noisy" electrical systems typical of old tractors, etc. Also the Fluke"s ability to measure AC current occasionally comes in handy when working on 120/240 VAC electrical stuff.

I"d highly recommend the Fluke 77 - it"s within your price range and is an accurate, bullet proof meter.

Note that I still have and use an ancient Simpson 260 analog VOM for extremely noisy DC. You cannot beat a mechanical meter movement for following certain types of transient voltage/current swings.

Now be good for the next week and a half so Santa comes through for you!!

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BobOHIO

12-14-2005 06:30:41




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 Re: Multimeters in reply to John Quillen, 12-14-2005 06:25:18  
Hi John, I use a Craftsman with no problems the past 5 years. Fluke makes excellent equipment but for the home novice the Craftsman will do and a better price. Just my experience. Have a nice holiday. Bob



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Janicholson

12-14-2005 06:48:14




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 Re: Multimeters in reply to BobOHIO, 12-14-2005 06:30:41  
Seasons greetings and solutions (of various types)
I believe two things are important to consider.
A digital multimeter is a very fine choice for some things:
1) Home wireing 110-220 and electronics
2) Battery voltage and direct current applications
3) ohms/resistance testing
I like Simpson, Fluke, Craftsman, Snap-On/Bluepoint

A digital meter has one (very important) failure. They do a very poor job of measuring intermittent (chopped) DC sources. They sample voltage and current using a sample rate that is so instantaneous that the display jumps all around the actual value. This often leads to the assumption of problems that are not there.

An inexpensive Analog Meter with an actual needle that moves on a scale (especially when adjusted or compared to the nice digital unit on a stable source of volts) will average the pulses and give usable information better.

The reason for the importance to us (YT types) is because the voltage regulators and cutout relays, and un-suppressed electrical systems on all older generator based equipment is manufactured to chop up voltage to control rates of charge and the output of DC in the armature/commutator/brushes.

Do both and be happy.

Jim (vast experience on this issue) Nicholson

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rumplestiltskin

12-14-2005 07:14:25




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 Re: Multimeters in reply to Janicholson, 12-14-2005 06:48:14  

I currently (no pun intended) have three multimeters. Two are cheap ($10 - $20) analogs and one is a more expensive digital.

I almost never use the digital. The analogs give much faster readings, and are better at showing any fluctuations in the signal. Also, if an analog meter falls victim to some danger (dropped, stepped on, fried, fan blade, etc) I can replace it dirt cheap. I'm usually just checking resistance, continuity, and presence of voltage (don't usually care how much).

If you have some aversion to anlog meters, get a digital. But my choice, if I had ONE multimeter, would be analog.

Oh, yeah, one other thing: Most analogs will not run down their batteries in you leave them on. Digitals will -- and the batteries are often oddball (i.e., expensive and hard to find). Whatever kind of meter you buy, try to get one that uses standard (AA, AAA, etc) batteries.

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