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What is this 140?

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herkpilot

12-09-2005 19:41:23




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I"ve gotten hold of a tractor I was told is a gas powered 140, yet it doesn"t look like any of the pics I"ve seen. The serial number plate on the bell housing is worn clean is stamped #2663J-EE. On engine block above oil filter is #377009R1, in front of seat #375574R, axle #875687R2. I have several other numbers but I don"t want to bore anyone, but before I start ordering parts I"d like to know what it is. Any help is appreciated!

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Stan(VA).

12-10-2005 08:39:53




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 Re: What is this 140? in reply to herkpilot, 12-09-2005 19:41:23  
Looks like a 404 with Rockford Clutch 'J' and "Dual Range (high/low) Drive Attachment" 'EE'. 375574R is the tranny cover, 375697R (don't see a 875897R) is the right axle carrier, 375596R should be the engine block so can't help you with 377009R. Maybe a replacement engine from something else? Stan(VA).



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herkpilot

12-10-2005 21:27:02




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 Re: What is this 140? in reply to Stan(VA)., 12-10-2005 08:39:53  
I appreciate the info. I was kinda leaning towards a 404 based soley on pictures but having numbers to validate that some is comforting.
Are there are some other numbers off the block? Above the oil filter is the #377009R1 but I"ve got the number off the alternator (or generator), the starter, in front of the seat, etc.
Thanks again!



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Stan(VA).

12-11-2005 19:10:29




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 Re: What is this 140? in reply to herkpilot, 12-10-2005 21:27:02  
A few more:
375690R clutch housing, 375573R rear frame (tranny case), 375696R left axle carrier. The motor should have a casting 'C-135' on the side near the oil filter and have an engine serial number stamped on a flat near it.
Stan(VA).



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herkpilot

12-11-2005 19:58:06




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 Re: What is this 140? in reply to Stan(VA)., 12-11-2005 19:10:29  
OK, wait a minute. I looked at my son"s notes and the numbers don"t match.
Behind seat #379678 11-03-61, in front of seat #375574R, transmission #375578R1, axel #875687R2,above oil filter on right side #377009R1, another axel number #374024R2.
That"s all I have, and none of them seem to match what I should be seeing.
I appreciate your help but I don"t want to wear out your goodwill. Tell me where to look and I will. Thanks again!

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Stan(VA).

12-12-2005 15:08:52




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 Re: What is this 140? in reply to herkpilot, 12-11-2005 19:58:06  
ok, a couple of notes that might help.

1- A flaw in the casting can make some part numbers easy to misread.

2- I don't have a 404 in my barn, I'm looking stuff up in a parts book for you.

3- My experience is that IH parts books are fairly accurate, but I don't totally rule out the possibility that you are locating an error in the book.

4- Keep in mind that the numbers listed in the parts book are sometimes the number of the currently available replacement part for that tractor at the time of printing rather than what originally was used (the engine block number for the C or Super C Farmall is a good example.).

5- I am purposely leaving off any digits after the 'R' because they are simply a revision level that can and often does change over the production run of a tractor line.

With these thoughts in mind:

- 375574R is a match for the "rear frame front cover assy".

- 375578R I am going to assume a misread (likely, or possible an error in the parts book) of the last digit (the 8 should be a 3) for the "375573R rear frame".

- 875687R I am going to assume a misread of 2 digits (the 8 should be a 3 and the 6 should be a 9) for the "375987R rear axle RH carrier".

- 379678 I can find no info on at the moment (ref notes above for possibilities).

- 374024R2 I can find no info on at the moment (ref notes above for possibilities).

My best guess from the numbers that do match (and the fact that you said it looked like the 404 in the photos section) is that you have a 404 (or 2404). That should have a 4 spd tranny, a high/low range (from the serial number suffix), and a utility or standard tread design (a wide front end and either 24 or 28" diameter rear tires as opposed to 36 or 38" on the row crop models). You said gasoline engine. The only gas motor used was the C-135 4cylinder. Tractor wise, the only other models the C135 engine was used in was the 330 and 340 but those would not be interchangeable with the 404. In my last post I sugested you look above the distributor (near the 377009R) for a casting 'C-135' on the side near the oil filter and look for an engine serial number stamped on a flat near it. The engine number should be above 100500 if my assumptions are right. It should have a 14 bolt cylinder head (pull the hood and look between the valve cover and the manifold you should see 7 bolts, the other 7 are under the valve cover). If you don't see 'C-135', what do you see? (maybe C146 or C153 ?...) I also posted the "375690R clutch housing", that might be worth looking for. It should be the same piece the SN tag was on.
Hope some of that helps,
Stan(VA).

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herkpilot

12-11-2005 19:23:17




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 Re: What is this 140? in reply to Stan(VA)., 12-11-2005 19:10:29  
Great!
Thanks a bunch! Let the buying begin!



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herkpilot

12-09-2005 19:59:40




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 Re: What is this 140? in reply to herkpilot, 12-09-2005 19:41:23  
Of course,it looks a lot like a 404 and maybe a 504. hhhmmmmm. Makes me wonder.



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CNKS

12-09-2005 19:58:27




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 Re: What is this 140? in reply to herkpilot, 12-09-2005 19:41:23  
If it is a 140, it was produced in 1958, the first year of production. Don't know what photos you have looked at but if it is a 140 it is offset, ie the seat and platform are to the right of the engine. Check the tractor photos, under Galleries on this site. Don't know what the EE is as it is listed as not used in Guy Fay's data book, which covers only through the 30 series. The 140 has 24 inch rear tires and drop axles. 140 hi-clear has 36 inch rears. If the rear wheels slide in and out on the axles it could be one of numerous tractors.

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herkpilot

12-09-2005 20:02:26




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 Re: What is this 140? in reply to CNKS, 12-09-2005 19:58:27  
After looking around at other photos it looks alot like a 404 and maybe a 504.
Thanks



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Nat

12-09-2005 23:21:39




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 Re: What is this 140? in reply to herkpilot, 12-09-2005 20:02:26  
Could be a 240 or a 340, then...



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