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Rookie question on Super designation

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Former gopher

12-04-2005 02:25:43




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What does the "Super" designation mean on the letter series of Farmalls? Like the difference between an "A" and a "Super A" or an "M" and a "Super M"? I realize this is pretty basic stuff, but I'm interested in learning more. Thanks much!




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Hugh MacKay

12-04-2005 07:12:01




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 Re: Rookie question on Super designation in reply to Former gopher, 12-04-2005 02:25:43  
The A was the first to become a Super in late 1947, and the biggest single change in that case was the addition of not only hydraulcs but live hydraulics. Make note, that also about same time C production began, and it began production with that same live hydraulic system and C-113 engine as the Super A.

From there on it is not so cut and dried, C went to being a Super in 51 with an increase of 10 cubic inches to 123 cubic inch, with water pump, brakes changed from band to disc. The H and M also received larger engines, disc brakes, and an evolution from belly pump hydraulics, to optional live hydraulics to standard live hydraulics. M was the next to become a Super in 52 while the H did not become a Super until 53. It is hard to pin point exact dates as some of these improvements did not occur on the exact date of model change. It is reported that some late model Cs had the larger engine. Same with H, my dad had a late model 51 H with IH disc brakes. We also suspect it had the C-164 Super H engine rather than the C-152, known as standard in the H. We also had a 300 with the C-169 engine. Our H was just too close in power to 300 to be absolutely sure On the other hand I have a Super A with C-113 engine, 130 and 140 with C-123 engine. I see little difference in the three when it comes to lugging ability.

There were also various changes in wheels both front and rear which happened near the change to Super in all cases but again not necessarily the exact date of model change. You best buy one of the books written on this matter, as that is what it would take to describe all.

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Steven@AZ

12-04-2005 06:38:45




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 Re: Rookie question on Super designation in reply to Former gopher, 12-04-2005 02:25:43  
Difference between the H and Super H.

Difference between the M and Super M.



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Former gopher

12-04-2005 05:19:06




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 Follow up on Super in reply to Former gopher, 12-04-2005 02:25:43  
Would most people consider the "Super" versions (with larger engine, enhanced design) a definite improvement over the original or is this one of those subjective, "it all depends" kind of questions? Any cases where people think the "Super" modifications were actually a step backwards in terms of design or performance?



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El Toro

12-04-2005 03:48:02




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 Re: Rookie question on Super designation in reply to Former gopher, 12-04-2005 02:25:43  
The Super A's had hydraulics and the early models
had the C-113 engine that was used in the A's. This was used to SN 310299, then with SN 310300 to
356001 had the C-123 block with thicker sleeves
still had 113 cid. Starting with SN 356002 they
had the c-123 block with thin sleeves and the cid
was 123 with a water pump. The Super M had disc brakes. The Super H had disc brakes too with the
C-164 engine compared to the 152cid engine in the H's. Hal

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David Kronwall

12-04-2005 02:34:57




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 Re: Rookie question on Super designation in reply to Former gopher, 12-04-2005 02:25:43  
The "Super" versions were upgrades...with larger engines, more horsepower and other new features. The Super M, for example, came along in 1953, while the regular M had been around since, I think, 1939 or 40. The Super M had a 264CID engine; the M's engine was smaller. There are several books out there that detail this development very nicely. Plus, many of the guys on this board can be more specific than I can off the top of my head.

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