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STEERING PUMP FOR HITCH

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CARLOSGENARO

11-29-2005 23:22:10




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HI GUYS, PLEASE FORGIVE THE QUESTION BUT : IS IT POSSIBLE TO LIFT AN HYDRAULIC CYLINDER OF A 3 POINT HITCH USING A STEERING PUMP? MY FARMALL 400 DOESNT HAVE POWER STEERING , NO LIVE HYDRAULIC PUMP, NO HITCH. SO IF I BUY A 3 POINT HITCH, PUT A POWER STEERING PUMP, A SINGLE ACTION VALVE, COULD IT WORKS? THANKS FOR RESPONSE




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Dave Sherburne,NY

11-30-2005 16:04:57




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 Re: STEERING PUMP FOR HITCH in reply to CARLOSGENARO, 11-29-2005 23:22:10  
I once built a dump on a pickup using a GM pump
and two loader cylinders off a JD loader . The
pump ran off a pto from the tranny . Worked fine
would lift all the C30 pickup would carry and it wasn't slow even tho the pump was turning slower than the engine speed. The plans are still avail-
ble from the MOTHER EARTH NEWS.com Do it,it will
work fine.



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Torque

11-30-2005 15:13:27




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 Re: STEERING PUMP FOR HITCH in reply to CARLOSGENARO, 11-29-2005 23:22:10  
I think the power steering pump will work fine if you use one off a car. I prefer GM as that is what I am used to. A Chevy steering pump normaly puts out 2300-2500 psi. The steering gear piston in most cars is about 3" and the pump has enough volume to move it as fast as you want to turn the steering wheel, even at idle, so I don't think a steering pump will be short of pressure or volume for this applacation. Torque

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ejr-IA.

11-30-2005 10:08:49




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 Re: STEERING PUMP FOR HITCH in reply to CARLOSGENARO, 11-29-2005 23:22:10  
Fix it right or, go with a good pto pump.



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Ron Penrod

11-30-2005 07:14:50




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 Re: STEERING PUMP FOR HITCH in reply to CARLOSGENARO, 11-29-2005 23:22:10  
I installed a chevy p/s pump on a farmall H that I built a 3 point hitch for. It lifts a 2 bottom plow with no problem. I installed a 2 way control. An with a scraper blade on it will lift the rear of the tractor off the ground. I would recommend a pump from a older pontiac it has a higher flow rate.



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Bob M

11-30-2005 05:19:08




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 Re: STEERING PUMP FOR HITCH in reply to CARLOSGENARO, 11-29-2005 23:22:10  
Your hitch lift will work with a power steering pump but it will be painfully slow.

Reason: The stock 400 pump is rated for 12 gallons per minute. A power steering pump is probably about 1/10 of that. So the lift speed with the PS pump will be about 1/10 of what would be with the stock pump.



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gene bender

11-30-2005 02:09:38




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 Re: STEERING PUMP FOR HITCH in reply to CARLOSGENARO, 11-29-2005 23:22:10  
The power steering pump wont have a lot of pressure but would lift a three point just make sure you have a large dia cycl of 3in or so and you will have to have a resivour that holds at least 2qt. Now what are you going to lift with the three pt? If you are going to lift big round bales you mite want a larger dia cycl as the bigger dia the more the lift. People often forget that its not the pressure so much as the diam of the cycl when it comes to capacity. Yes under most uses what you want to do will be a great system.

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Nat

11-30-2005 06:32:31




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 Re: STEERING PUMP FOR HITCH in reply to gene bender, 11-30-2005 02:09:38  
I'm not so sure it would be a "great system." It might be functional, maybe even adequate, but great? Power steering pumps are really low pressure, really low volume. Your 3pt lift will be SLOOOOW and won't have much lifting capacity. A bigger diameter cylinder will help lifting capacity, but it will also require a larger volume of fluid, and that will make the system even SLOOOOO OOOWER.

Why doesn't this "Farmall 400" have live hydraulics? Live hydraulics were standard equipment, weren't they? I've seen and heard of 400s without TAs, but not without live hydraulics.

If the pump was simply removed, then the BEST solution would be to purchase a new/rebuilt pump and install it. you'll never be happy with a wimpy little power steering pump cobbed on the side of the engine.

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