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Farmall 300 still weak spark ???

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railroadgoat

11-29-2005 09:43:20




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I have tried hot wiring, bypassing ignition, direct from battery to ignition side of coil and still get just a weak spark. I have replaced the points, condensor, rotor, cap and wire from coil to distributor. Still I get a weak spark. I have taken points and condensor out again and sanded back of all including inside distributor to make sure ground is good. Lightly hit point with emery board. Took out plugs and lightly bead blasted them. By cranking or breaking points with finger I still get weak spark and of course tractor will not start. Tried coil off a running tractor and still weak spark. What next ?? Tractor was running perfect and was just sitting idling and stopped. YES it is getting gas to carb and when I choke it, she will run out breather end.

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El Toro

11-30-2005 13:08:27




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 09:43:20  
Since the engine on this tractor just up & quit
it may have jumped time somehow. If you bring No1 piston up on the compression stroke to TDC & then check to see if both valves are closed on No1 cylinder & the rotor points to No1 plug position in the distributor. This would eleminate the valve timing & the distributor being out of time. Hal



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Rider

11-30-2005 09:47:20




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 09:43:20  
Try a wire from the point locking screw to a good ground on the block.



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El Toro

11-29-2005 16:58:05




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 09:43:20  
Install a new copper coil wire from the coil to the center of the distr cap. Hal



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mr oly

11-29-2005 16:23:37




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 09:43:20  
try another new condensor. sometimes the new ones can be bad.



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NDS

11-29-2005 16:22:31




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 09:43:20  
If you have a helper and another tractor or even truck available I would try to pull start it. This is sort of last resort but have seen tractor start many times by pulling when it would not start by cranking. Sometimes after it starts and runs a while it will clear up problem and start OK.



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Hermit

11-29-2005 16:21:48




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 09:43:20  
Here's a couple of things I haven't seen discussed yet. Check the ground cable from the battery to the tractor frame grounding point for dirt, oil, corrosion, broken or chafed wires, etc. Also, you said you hot wired the battery side of the coil and had the same problem. Why not try to hot wire the distributor side of the coil, too. That way you can eliminate or isolate the distributor components of the ignition system. Just disconnect the wire going to the points install a length of wire stripped at each end. Place the coil wire 1/4 inch from the block and then repeatedly touch the installed wire end to a bare ground, acting like a set of points. Good luck.

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the tactor vet

11-29-2005 13:22:45




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 09:43:20  
Ah is the coil hooked up correctly , is your tractor a positive ground or a neg. ground. If it is pos. then the + side goes to the dist. if it is neg ground then the - goes to the dist.



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jetman

11-29-2005 12:22:56




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 09:43:20  
If you are measuring the spark from the coil and it is weak, I'd say the insulator where the wire goes through the distributor is bad.
Remove the wire from the points/condenser and the coil to distributor wire. Put the coil to distributor wire on the points and try the finger opening and closing the points test. If you get a good spark you will need to remove the insulator and clean it with electronic cleaner. Make sure it isn't cracked and reinstall or replace. Reassemble and it should go.

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railroadgoat

11-29-2005 13:43:24




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to jetman, 11-29-2005 12:22:56  
Now this one I have not tried. That will be first test on Thursday when I get home from work. Thanks



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John T

11-29-2005 12:15:06




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 09:43:20  
Rail man, YESSSSS S if you removed the coil wire from the distributor cap (coil end left intact) and placed it within 1/8 from steel and turned her on and used an insulated probe, EACH TIME you open the points (assuming they were closed) the coil will fire AND THAT HAS NUTTIN TO DO WITH ANY TIMING WHATSOEVER.

Sooooo o is that spark good n visible n blue orrrrr r a weak faint thin wimpy yellow?????

If its good out of the coil but not any plug wires (bare end to 1/8 from steel) the problem HAS TO BE the cap or rotor or the plug wires IFFFFF FFFFF when the points just break open the rotor tip is lining dead up with one of the caps internal tower pick ups, is it????? If the rotor tip is in between towers and the spark has to jump such a huge gap, its gonna be weaker.

I say you FIRST gotta get a good spark out of the coil wire,,,,, ,,,,, ,,,, and thennnnn nnnn see why its not good at the plug wires, such as caused by the wires being bad,,,,, ,,or the caps cracked or carbon traced or moist or dirty,,,,, ,,,,or things are out of time such that when the points break open the rotor tip isnt in line with a tower. Its not too hard with the plugs out to get the engine turned where the points are just opening and then observe where the rotor tip would be in relation to a cap tower AND TS GOTTA BE LINED UP. If it is and the cap n rotor are all good n clean n dry but still a weak spark out of the plug wire ends CHECK THE PLUG WIRES and use wire core NOT carbon core suppressor wires.

One other thing,,,,, if the condensor is weak but NOT dead shorted, the sparks not as strong as with a good and correct sized condensor, are you sure you have a good and the correct sized condensor????? Also, try a new set of plugs, maybe they are fouled ESPECIALLY if the plug wire end has a good sprak but not the plugs

Let is know n hang in there

John T

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railroadgoat

11-29-2005 13:13:12




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to John T, 11-29-2005 12:15:06  
John T.: Spark from coil wire to within 1/8" of ground is, as you say, weak, faint, thin and wimpy yellow.



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John T

11-29-2005 15:50:45




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 13:13:12  
Then it sounds like the problem is ahead of any cap or rotor or plug or plug wire problem. That leaves me suspecting low voltage on the coils high input terminal BUT THE HOT WIRE THE COIL TRICK should have eliminated that one such as a high resistace ignition switch etc.

Next possibilities (you claim a different coil made no diference) are a weak condensor or a high resistance shorting path somewhere between the coils low (to distributor) side terminal and the igniton points terminal,,,,, ,,or burned points,,,,, ,,or a resistive ground path in the distributor to its ground.

Hot wire the coil again to insure a good voltage supply to its input,,,,, ,,try a different condensor,,,,, ,,,,check the wires from coil to distributor n to the points for any weak links or shorts including the insulated pass through wiring stud on the side,,,,, ,,,use a jumper wire to establish a good ground for the points,,,,, ,,,,,give her 2 aspirins n call me at the Office as Im about runnin out of smarts here lol

John T

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RB Mn.

11-29-2005 11:07:07




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 09:43:20  
sounds like a bad coil, try again with known good coil and a full charged bat.



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railroadgoat

11-29-2005 11:43:56




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to RB Mn., 11-29-2005 11:07:07  
I have tried the coil right off a running tractor and still same results. Battery is fully charged 8 volt, HOT !! Ready to take a gun out and shoot her.



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El Toro

11-29-2005 13:32:15




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 11:43:56  
If this is a 6 volt system with positive + ground on the battery? Your wire from the coil to the distributor needs to be connected to the + terminal on the coil.

With your ignition switch on, measure the voltage
to the coil. Should be near the same as your battery. I guess you now have the starter off the tractor. If it doesn't start or even fire within a couple of engine revolutions there's no need to keep cranking the engine. Have you had the distributor out since this problem started? Hal

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railroadgoat

11-29-2005 13:40:49




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to El Toro, 11-29-2005 13:32:15  
Hal: Have not took the starter off. When I crank it I am just cranking it over enough to test or attempt to start. Do not want to have to rebuild starter also. The + side of coil goes to distributor as battery is wired + to ground. I guess next step is to remove the distributor and check bushings, etc. ???



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El Toro

11-29-2005 14:10:31




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 13:40:49  
Something may've broken in your distributor. The drive gear or a woodruff key may have sheared.
You need to bring No1 piston up on the compression stroke to TDC. Then look to see where the rotor is pointing. Very important. Hal



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El Toro

11-29-2005 13:36:04




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to El Toro, 11-29-2005 13:32:15  
I guess I was thinking of Short Bolt's posting on the fried starter. You need to measure that voltage at the coil with the switch on. Hal



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El Toro

11-29-2005 10:08:14




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 09:43:20  
Measure the battery voltage at the coil with the ignition switch on. Remove No1 sparkplug and hold your thumb over the plug hole while someone
hand cranks the engine until you feel compression.
Then look for your timing mark & then keep slowly
cranking the engine until you're at TDC with No1 piston. Your timing mark should now be aligned with pointer. Remove distributor cap & see where
the rotor is pointing. Should be at No1 plug wire. That's the wire to the plug near the radiator. Hal

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railroadgoat

11-29-2005 10:47:00




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to El Toro, 11-29-2005 10:08:14  
If coil wire is pulled from cap and held within 1/8" of ground, WHY, when breaking the points with my finger, not cranking tractor, wouldn't I get a good spark even if tractor was out of time ???



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railroadgoat

11-29-2005 13:09:15




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 10:47:00  
BUT--- I can't get a good HOT blue spark when coil wire is within 1/8" from ground. I understand the timing portion, but I need that good spark to go from there.



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railroadgoat

11-29-2005 13:06:58




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 10:47:00  
Coil came from a Farmall C with 6 volt.



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El Toro

11-29-2005 12:37:03




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 10:47:00  
That coil wire will fire whether the engine is in or out of time. The fire has to occur to the right plug at the right time for the engine to run. That's why you need to see where the rotor is pointing when the engine is at TDC on No1 piston on the compression stroke. Hal



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Nat

11-29-2005 12:33:51




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 10:47:00  
What tractor did the known good coil come off of? If the tractor was a 12V, and the 300 has a 6V system, it won't spark worth a hoot.



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Sam F.

11-29-2005 11:40:45




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 10:47:00  
But if I'm opening the points by finger the points won't be flopping around. I have tried both ways, with same results, cranking and finger opening points.



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old

11-29-2005 11:23:03




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to railroadgoat, 11-29-2005 10:47:00  
Doing that you should get a good spark and ya it wouldn't matter if its in or out of time. You may have a bad distutor and its cause a short and thats where your spark is going. Bushings in the dist could be bad and causeing the shaft to sort of flop around and not open the points as they should be.



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Rider

11-30-2005 09:42:42




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to old, 11-29-2005 11:23:03  
One thing that has not been mentioned, have you cleaned the coil inside the mounting bracket and the bracket to block mounts? Also check the distributor ground (housing to block). It looks to me that all the testing you have done is upstream of the points. Any high resistance in the circuit supply or ground side will give the same result. I would try a wire from the point locking screw to a good ground on the block.
Good luck,
Walt

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lowdog

12-05-2005 16:41:25




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 Re: Farmall 300 still weak spark ??? in reply to Rider, 11-30-2005 09:42:42  
have you tried coil wire from coil to cap if its not wire core could be where your losing fire.



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