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12 Volt for Farmall C (Bob M)

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DelMN

11-28-2005 11:56:52




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I rewired the tractor according to Bob M"s photo page 6 (Farmall H/M volt Delco 10Si alternator conversion) and everything works fine except the tractor continues to run after I shut the ign switch off. When I turn the ign switch on, the warning light comes on and after I start the tractor, it flickers and shuts off. Did I miss something?
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MN Lou

11-28-2005 20:49:01




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 Re: 12 Volt for Farmall C (Bob M) in reply to DelMN, 11-28-2005 11:56:52  
Just wondering did you use a fuse,and if so what size.I'm converting my 40 H from 6 volt genny to 12 volt alt. system.Could you let me know about the fuse,thanks.Where in MN are you?



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DelMN

11-29-2005 16:32:06




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 Re: 12 Volt for Farmall C (Bob M) in reply to MN Lou, 11-28-2005 20:49:01  
Hi MN Lou,

I'm from Lakefield which is in the SW corner of the state by Windom and Jackson. Were are you from?

I didn't use any fuses.
Del



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MN Lou

11-29-2005 21:57:26




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 Re: 12 Volt for Farmall C (Bob M) in reply to DelMN, 11-29-2005 16:32:06  
Hi DelMN,thanks for the info.I am in Isanti,about 50 miles straight north of minneapolis.I know the area you are in I have hunted pheasants around there.Stayed in Fulda and Dunnel.Have had a couple cold ones in Jackson.Do you have any other Farmals?my email is meyerisan@aol.com Thank you again for the info.It just seems to me that there should be a fuse in the circuit,not real sure why other than protection.I may be wrong,don't know.

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DelMN

11-28-2005 17:16:54




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 Re: 12 Volt for Farmall C (Bob M) in reply to DelMN, 11-28-2005 11:56:52  
Thanks for the info! I didn"t use the light suggested on the diagram--I just grabbed an old one thinking that it didn"t make any difference!



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Bob M

11-28-2005 17:38:25




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 Re: 12 Volt for Farmall C (Bob M) in reply to DelMN, 11-28-2005 17:16:54  
Well I once thought any old lamp would work too... (Lesson learned the hard way!)

Keep in mind also if you select a warning lamp with a current rating TOO SMALL the alternator won't charge.



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Bob M

11-28-2005 16:34:03




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 Re: 12 Volt for Farmall C (Bob M) in reply to DelMN, 11-28-2005 11:56:52  
John T's and old's comments below are right on.

Problem is the current rating on the warning lamp is too great - it's backfeeding sufficient current to fire the coil after you shut off the ignition.

The solutions offered below are right on too. Either substitute a smaller lamp (like a #168 or #194 instrument/side marker bulb) or add a diode/resistor to limit the backflow current.



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John T

11-28-2005 12:37:02




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 Re: 12 Volt for Farmall C (Bob M) in reply to DelMN, 11-28-2005 11:56:52  
Del, I dont have Bobs schematic handy, but I know hes about the best source Ive seen on these farmalls and would believe n trust regarding their wiring. Believe him before meeeee eeeee.

That being said, is there EITHER a 10 ohm current limiting protection resistor in your alternators excitation circuit from the coils high input side or the ignition switches output ORRRRR RRRRR RRRRR a 5 amp 50 PIV volt diode TO THE LIL SIDE NO. 1 ALTERNATOR TERMINAL?????

CUZ if not, when you trun off the ignition switch the alternator is back feeding the coil and keeping voltage to making her still run EVEN WHEN ITS SWITCHED OFF

I highly recommend a 10 ohm resistor in the circuit that excites the alternators lil side No. 1 terminal for protection. although she may be fine forever even without it, better safe then sorry I say. Thennnnn n if she still back feeds the coil and runs when shut off, simply add a 5 amp 50 PIV volt diode (one way current flow check valve) in series in the circuit after the voltage feed (coil or switch) and before the alternator to stop that run on problem. NOTE the diode MUST be wired + from feed and - to alternator so it can feed current into the alternator BUT NOT allow it to flow out of the alternator to feed the coil.

Sooooo oo, do you have a diode or a resistor in the alternators lil No. 1 excitation circuit????? ?? If not, therein lies the problem of why she runs even after shes turned off. The diode dont really need to be 5 amp rated, thats just what I use as its easier to wire.

See what Bob n the other good gents have to say.

John T

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old

11-28-2005 12:13:06




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 Re: 12 Volt for Farmall C (Bob M) in reply to DelMN, 11-28-2005 11:56:52  
The light your useing doesn't have enough resistance to stop the feed back in the of the field winding of the alternator. You could use a differant light or put in a diode or a small resistor any one of those wil fix your problem.



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