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Advice on Frozen Transmission/Rear End

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Robert Lorencz

11-27-2005 18:45:04




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Aw S**t! I got a Super M last month and never had a chance to really go over it. I got it to start and run ok and then parked it for a couple of weeks. Yesterday I started it (like a dream) but when I tried to let the clutch out - oh no it wants to stall! And I left it in neutral when I parked it.
I did some searching on this site, thought the rear end was frozen up, pulled the drain plug at the hitch and nothing came out! Stuck a screwdriver in there and pulled out some clumps of lumpy stuff. Got them into a can and by the woodstove and they turned into oil after a bit!
So how do I thaw this thing out? I don't have a shop big enough to get it into and even if I did I can't move the thing.
And I don't think warmer weather is coming any time soon to this part of Ontario!

Robert

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Dave NE IA

11-28-2005 20:14:31




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 Re: Advice on Frozen Transmission/Rear End in reply to Robert Lorencz, 11-27-2005 18:45:04  
I sure hope I did not give any bad advice. I use ONLY a heater --at a distance- no blankets etc. The heater is a 250,000 btu. I put it probably at a distance of 3 ft. away, and never get the steel on a good painted machine any hotter than it would get on a sunny very hot day. The cats get a little more serious traeatment and we watch for something to smoke, then just move it to a little different location. I don"t remember ever using even a 20 lb cylinder other than on a cat that had froxen tracks because they were not cleaned properly. Dave NE IA

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Robert Lorencz

11-29-2005 04:24:44




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 Re: Advice on Frozen Transmission/Rear End in reply to Dave NE IA, 11-28-2005 20:14:31  
Nope, you gave good advice Dave. That is what I am going to do once I get the heater. Weather here is going to help as it is going to be about + 12C here today and only for today!



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Robert Lorencz

11-28-2005 05:12:39




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 Re: Advice on Frozen Transmission/Rear End in reply to Robert Lorencz, 11-27-2005 18:45:04  
Thanks to everyone for the advice. I see that Princess Auto has a propane torch on sale so I think I will try that with the stove pipe and elbow and blankets/tarps. And I will be careful, I can still see my cousins face when he used this method years ago to try to start his freshly painted '53 International pick-up - he just left it too long, had a greasy engine and the paint on the hood bubbled!
May have to wait a day to get into Ottawa to get torch, freezing rain here overnight and this morning and the roads are slicker than s**t! I don't feel like playing bumper cars today. It's supposed to warm up today and tomorrow so that should help me get it thawed out and once I get the water outta the bottom I should be ok until spring when I can change the oil.

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EricB

11-28-2005 04:53:31




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 Re: Advice on Frozen Transmission/Rear End in reply to Robert Lorencz, 11-27-2005 18:45:04  
Well you sure opened yourself up for a lot of weird jokes!

Michael is right, Blankets and an electric heater or magnetic block heater woudl be the way to go. Forget the fire thing. I can see those tires catching in a burst of flame, or some grease, or just screwing up the paint.

I'd get it changed right away. We haven't seen the real cold stuf yet.



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williamf

11-28-2005 03:11:32




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 Re: Advice on Frozen Transmission/Rear End in reply to Robert Lorencz, 11-27-2005 18:45:04  
I once gave a co-worker a recipe. One instruction was, "Line the bottom of round cake pan with wax paper." Rather than cut the wax paper round to fit she cut it square and let the corners stick up above the batter. Forty minutes at 375* and an impressive little oven fire.
Reading some of the advice you've gotten brought that story back. Whatever you do to warm it up, think it through, add good sense to good advice, try the least open flame methods first, don't combine processes. I have a vision of, "Pour in several bottles of alcohol," mixed with, "Build a fire under it." Good luck, and take care.
Wm

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Keith-OR

11-27-2005 21:09:46




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 Re: Advice on Frozen Transmission/Rear End in reply to Robert Lorencz, 11-27-2005 18:45:04  
Robert, living in Blackhills of S Dakoda as a kid, I can remember my Grandmother taking a pan of hot coals from heating stove out and putting them under the pan of her car to get it started early in the morn, 30 below weather. She always put a blacket on the engine when she parked it for the night. Gees those were the good days.

Keith & Shawn



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old

11-27-2005 20:51:24




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 Re: Advice on Frozen Transmission/Rear End in reply to Robert Lorencz, 11-27-2005 18:45:04  
Just a crazy idea but I've seen it work before. Pour a few bottles of rubbing alcohol in anf let that sit a day or 2 then open up the drain plug and let it drain. The alcohol will drink up the water and let the oil flow out slowly. Had that happen a few years ago with a couple gas tanks and water poured in a couple bottles in and in 2 hours had running tractors, so it may work in the rear end also.

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Michael Soldan

11-27-2005 19:49:19




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 Re: Advice on Frozen Transmission/Rear End in reply to Robert Lorencz, 11-27-2005 18:45:04  
Robert, both H's I bought and brought home were full of water, not unusual for the older Farmalls that sat outside for a few years. One was parked for the winter inside, by spring I opened the rear plug just a little and a gallon and a half of fairly clear water ran out, then the sludge and terriblr looki8ng oil. The other H I had been using and when I decided to drain it, the oil came out like carmel candy...an emulsion of oil, water and crud. For a frozen from cold rear end,just get a heater under the tractor for a few hours, a magnetic block heater would be perfect stuck on the bottom of the rear end, but heat lamp, habatchi, propane heater or several light bulbs will thaw it out, like the other poster said, cover the rear end with some old blankets or tarps or sheets of steel to hold the heat in and soon it will be thawed, then you can drain the water out of it without removing all the gear oil as water will be on the bottom and the gear oil floating on the top, just loosen the drain plug and hold onto it as you turn it out, the water should start running out, stop when you start getting oil....good luck, Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Dave NE IA

11-27-2005 19:43:08




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 Re: Advice on Frozen Transmission/Rear End in reply to Robert Lorencz, 11-27-2005 18:45:04  
Crack the drain plug, take a space heater with a jet type heat discharge. Then simply place a adjustable elbow for a stove pipe on it. Let it drip till the water stops and oil starts to drip. Never just warm it up and drive it. Ther is a strong chance the water and oil are seperated for you, so just drain the water out only. A friend of mine has numerous dozers etc. and borrows my bottle gas space heater often. I store my tractors for the winter and drain off the water come spring. Don"t forget all oil cavities. Good luck Dave NE IA

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Honest Jon

11-27-2005 18:57:34




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 Re: Advice on Frozen Transmission/Rear End in reply to Robert Lorencz, 11-27-2005 18:45:04  
I can sympathize. I have frozen my rear end practically right off many a time.



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Robert Lorencz

11-27-2005 19:20:50




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 Re: Advice on Frozen Transmission/Rear End in reply to Honest Jon, 11-27-2005 18:57:34  
Haha! maybe we both need padded seats!



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Will Sick

11-27-2005 18:56:36




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 Re: Advice on Frozen Transmission/Rear End in reply to Robert Lorencz, 11-27-2005 18:45:04  
Put some steel roofing or some cardboard on each side of the rearend and put an electric heater on the back,Preferably a fan driven one,. It will take awhile but it will thaw it out. I have done it but dont have the cold here in Iowa like you do.



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504

11-27-2005 20:30:11




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 Re: Advice on Frozen Transmission/Rear End in reply to Will Sick, 11-27-2005 18:56:36  
Cover it up with a tarp and build a fire under it. An old hog pan full of charcoal works fine, I have done this on frozen trucks and tractors. Put the pan where oil won`t drip into it and put a concrete block to raise it up a little



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