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Electronic Ignition? What do you think?

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Farmallkid From

11-22-2005 08:19:35




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Got my red power yesterday, there is an ad from a company that sells electronic ignitions, have any of you put these in your tractors? Is there an advantage in using these instead of the points and condenser ect?




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binderpower856

11-22-2005 13:34:27




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 Re: Electronic Ignition? What do you think? in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 11-22-2005 08:19:35  
From my experience with electronic ignition, I'll NEVER buy another set of points for any of my tractors. They are simple to install, and once they are installed, that's the last time you'll ever have to look at them again. I got tired of going out to the shed and trying to get an old tractor that had been sitting for several months to run. 9 times out of 10, it was a points problem. Now with elec. ign. in all of them, all I have to do is turn on the key and hit the button... Provided that the battery isn't dead, but that's a whole other story!

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PAULIH300

11-22-2005 13:43:57




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 Re: Electronic Ignition? What do you think? in reply to binderpower856, 11-22-2005 13:34:27  
We all take for granted the things that today are maintenance free (electronic ignition,batteries....etc)....and whoever would want to go back to the old days of frequently changing/servicing everything??
You car doesnt need drum brake adjustments,doesnt need the battery water checked,doesnt need clutch adjustments,doesnt need carb/timing adjustments,no need for points replacement,plugs last up to 100,000 miles,as does engine coolant,tires last 40-80,000 miles,ball joints (some)tie rods (some) and U joints(some) are non-greaseable....etc...Its a different world out there...and its a good thing!
History lesson: Chrysler went electronic ignition starting 1971,and VW had electronic fuel injection back in 68.Alternators came along with the 1960 Valiant,and 12V systems were brought into use in the mid 50s.Its been a long time for these "advances"....and by now,we take them all for granted.

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Don L C

11-23-2005 04:43:38




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 Re: Electronic Ignition? What do you think? in reply to PAULIH300, 11-22-2005 13:43:57  
O.K. guys,what brand is the best and where do I get one? You sold me....My farmall M is 12v but my H is still 6v..... thanks for the help....don



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RustyFarmall

11-22-2005 15:57:38




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 Re: Electronic Ignition? What do you think? in reply to PAULIH300, 11-22-2005 13:43:57  
On the other hand, if my tractor with the points doesn't start, all I need do is drag a dollar bill through them and I am off and running. If the electronic ignition fails, then where are you?



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binderpower856

11-22-2005 17:56:12




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 Re: Electronic Ignition? What do you think? in reply to RustyFarmall, 11-22-2005 15:57:38  
Simple, you get out the old set of points that you so carefully stowed away in a draw in the shop (sealed in a ziploc bag of course). You jerk out the elec. ign. module that's throwing fits and replace with the old points set to get ya going... Of course I didn't keep the old points, but the neighborhood tractor supply store keeps them on hand for about $10 and they're open 7 days/week... I'd spend $10 to get me by until the new elec. ign comes in the mail...

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RustyFarmall

11-22-2005 10:37:43




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 Re: Electronic Ignition? What do you think? in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 11-22-2005 08:19:35  
I am neither for, or against, the electronic ignition. The only thing I would ask of you is to do some comparison shopping before you buy. The very same unit you are looking at might be available from any good auto parts store at a greatly reduced price.



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John T

11-22-2005 10:31:50




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 Re: Electronic Ignition? What do you think? in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 11-22-2005 08:19:35  
Kid, Once you overcome the initial cost, an electronic current switch is far superior to the old fashioned mechanical points current switching and energy absorbing protective condensor for numerous reasons. For one, soon as you use the points they begin to deteriorate from the constant arcing across their surfaces which burns, carbons and pits the surfaces and increases the resistance across what should ideally be near a zero ohm circuit path. Energy wasted across a resistive connection would be better spent discharged across the spark plug gap to ignite the fuel. Also, you have the wear factor on the cam follower causing their gap to change. Also, they are not that good of a switch as they bounce n ring. Another factor is possible longer plug life if a performance coil and a wider plug gap can reduce fouling deposits from accumulating so badly.

To the contrary, an electronic switch provides a faster and more positive switching for the coils current as opposed to the bouncing ringing points. Better switching improves coil efficiency as far as its mutual inductive coupling transformer action is concerned. The electronic switch does not deteriorate due to carbon or pitting or burning either.

Another advantage of the elec switch is if you couple it with a high energy high voltage coil which allows you to get more bang for the buck and utilize the full potential an elec. switch can provide. Theres still advantages even with the stock coil due to the faster more positive switching, but couple it with a high energy high voltage coil and you have the ability to discharge more energy across a potentially wider plug gap to ignite the fuel.

A disadvantage may be that with points one may be able to file or dress the points in the field to get back to the barn, but if an elec. switch fails your dead lol.

I guess the elec switch costs about 4 times a set of points n condensor BUTTTTT TT it should last wayyyyy yy longer then several sets of points and its NOT deterioratign the moment you use it.

Be sure to get a switch that matches your polarity and be sure the switch is matched n suited for the coil you purchase and I run a lil wider plug gap on an elec ignition.

John T, retired electrical engineer and believer in an elec ignition.

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Jrry

11-23-2005 07:05:21




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 Re: Electronic Ignition? What do you think? in reply to John T, 11-22-2005 10:31:50  
John T. I put electronic in my 404 and it said to connect red wire to the voltage reducer (forget what its called). Couple questions, is the voltage reducer necessary with electronic ignition and if so can the high energy coil be used? thanks, Jerry



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Tim...Ok

11-22-2005 09:08:26




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 Re: Electronic Ignition? What do you think? in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 11-22-2005 08:19:35  
I've got one of the pertronix units on my 424 and like it alot..maintenance free :)



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PAULIH300

11-22-2005 08:55:41




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 Re: Electronic Ignition? What do you think? in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 11-22-2005 08:19:35  
Dont hesitate....buy one.Never changing points again or filing them down regularly is wonderful.Either the tractor runs or it doesnt.No in between like with contact points.Move into the 20th century,and install electronic ignition.



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Don't wanna!!

11-22-2005 11:23:40




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 Re: Electronic Ignition? What do you think? in reply to PAULIH300, 11-22-2005 08:55:41  
Hey Paul, Farmallkid probably likes it here in the 21st century, hasn't figured out why he should go backwards to horse and buggy....:>) :>)
lmao



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PAULIH300

11-22-2005 11:30:05




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 Re: Electronic Ignition? What do you think? in reply to Don't wanna!!, 11-22-2005 11:23:40  
Old tractor technology seems to be like stepping back into the 19th century....points/condensors,carburetors,gravity feed fuel tank...etc
The addition of pressurized cooling system makes it more 20th century,and the conversion to 12V and alternator makes it more 1960s....
Heaven forbid,add electronic ignition and we're talking 1970s here!
If fuel injection was an option,now we're edging 1980s technology!
One thing though....no 1950s tractor will ever reach the realm of 21st century technology!
For some of us,thats a good thing afterall....

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