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786 vs. 886

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Mike in Vt

11-18-2005 05:59:21




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I am considering a 2-85 White but was told by my local dealer of a 786 IH. I don't know much about International 786 but my neighbor has a 886 that he thinks alot of. What is the difference between a 786 and a 886 at they appear to be the same tractor and are of similar years of manufacture. What should I be careful of and what is an appropriate price for one with a cab and 4000 hours. Thanks for your help.

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K.B.-826

11-18-2005 18:10:12




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to Mike in Vt, 11-18-2005 05:59:21  
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We"ve had our 786 since it was new. 8500 trouble-free engine hours, only major thing to fail was the TA. Had to go through the shift linkage a couple times. 786 is a stripped-down late-model 886. A 786 DID NOT have a full cab from the factory, but that does not mean a cab from a bigger 86 series couldn"t have been put on. 786"s were only built for 2 years and only 1800-1900 were made, but parts avaliblity is exellent. The shift levers are on the left side, like all other 86 series tractors. The 786 and 886 did not have the troublesome closed-center hydraulic system like the bigger late 86 series tractors had. Ours has 9.5x15"s and 18.4x34"s, I don"t think I"d want 15.5 or 16.9x38"s.

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Allan in NE

11-19-2005 04:48:12




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to K.B.-826, 11-18-2005 18:10:12  
Aw Ha!

There's a guy who works fer a livin'. Holsteins and all. :>)

Allan

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K.B.-826

11-18-2005 18:16:59




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to K.B.-826, 11-18-2005 18:10:12  
One more try... If the pic doesn't come up, hit the link.



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Hugh MacKay

11-18-2005 15:56:25




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to Mike in Vt, 11-18-2005 05:59:21  
Mike: As I see it from a farmers point of view. I grew up and farmed in an area where 95% of the land was forested. Very expensive area for a farm equipment dealer to service and survive. Farms were located along narrow river valleys and that caused a lot of miles for these guys. Through the 40s, 50s, 60s 70s and 80s basically 4 companies did have dealers that survived. Massey Ferguson bascally did it on the strength of their small tractors. The 35, 135 and later models in that hp class have been unequaled by anyone as it applies to durability and being user friendly. Their larger tractors were not much to write home about.

Cockshutt-Oliver, later White made it on their shear brute strength. When the going got tough they would hang in there with any Farmall. Their down side was a reputation of being clumsey. For that reason Farmall reigned supreme over White. Deere could match Farmall on manuverability and being user friendly, but just couldn't match Farmall or White at the end of the drawbar or pto shaft.

Those 4 Farmall, White, Deere and MF did manage to maintain a good dealer network through the years. In those days and in that neck of the woods, Ford was being sold mainly by Ford car and truck dealers that for the most part knew very little about tractors. I remember once talking with a Ford dealer about a Cockshutt 30 he had taken on trade for a Ford 4000. He did not know what live pto much less Independant pto was. One of his employees a mechanic, suggested that dead pto was watching him walk to the office every morning. Attempts by Ford and others to maintain solid, steady dealers in that area were not very successful. I've always maintained this equipment was only ever as good as the dealer right in your home town. I expect some credit must be due to what the company had to offer. Survival for a farm equipment dealer has got to be quite different where 90% of the land base is farm land.

Another interesting little note about that same area where I grew up. Today it's all Blue and Green, with Kubota nipping at their heels.

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Josh H

11-18-2005 10:39:25




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to Mike in Vt, 11-18-2005 05:59:21  
I am a fan of Farmalls but I am a pretty big fan of Oliver/White too. The 2-85 is a decent tractor and is likely cheaper. I've never had experience with a 786, but the 2-85 can hold its own. I've heard it said on this board that an 80 hp farmall can pull with 100 hp tractors of other brands, but I believe the Oliver/White tractors were the same way. They are pretty common, parts are available easily from agco, and it is a proven design. I wouldn't rule out the white just yet, try them both out.
Josh H

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Hugh MacKay

11-18-2005 14:44:26




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to Josh H, 11-18-2005 10:39:25  
Josh: I have to agree with you, parts for White, Oliver or Cockshutt are surprisingly easy to find. They will also be a close match in the field to Farmalls in the same hp class.



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Dr.EVIL

11-18-2005 08:24:45




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to Mike in Vt, 11-18-2005 05:59:21  
786 replaced the 686. Identicle engine to the 886 except for injection pump calibration, and everything else in the chassis was the same. The 786 has less standard equipment than the 886. 786 typically had either a "NON-ROPS" (open platform) or a 4-post ROPS. 886 got the standard cab. Tires were generally smaller on the 786 (15.5 rear & 7.50X16 front) compared to the 886 (18.4 X 34 & 9.5LX15) And normally the 886 got 3 remotes while the 786 got only two. But as this situation shows EVERYTHING was available as an option on the 786 and You could delete anything off the 886. Either one should be a GOOD tractor if it's been maintained.

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Mike in Vt

11-18-2005 08:31:57




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to Dr.EVIL, 11-18-2005 08:24:45  
Thanks. Dr. Evil...good information.



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scotty

11-18-2005 08:06:16




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to Mike in Vt, 11-18-2005 05:59:21  
Hey Mike, Just curious, were in Vt ? Im in East Wells.

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Mike in Vt

11-18-2005 08:30:43




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to scotty, 11-18-2005 08:06:16  
Up in the Northeast Kingdom....Newport Center.



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Mike in Vt

11-18-2005 06:51:53




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to Mike in Vt, 11-18-2005 05:59:21  
There are many more 986's and 966's in the area but they are usually up in the 8000hr range which I'm a little reluctant to consider. Both the 786 and the 886 have a cab and are in good condition. I was told that the 886 and the 786 were contemporary but that the 786 was a later tractor. Outside of parts is the engine in the 786 worse that than 986? How do I tell if it is a late or early one?

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dhermesc

11-18-2005 07:13:03




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to Mike in Vt, 11-18-2005 06:51:53  
Go with the 886, much more common and should be easier to get parts. To be honest I didn't know a 786 was even offered, never seen one in person. We ran one as a planter & haying tractor and racked up well over 20,000 hours (two overhauls) before it was finally traded off. Before selling it was painted and a new interior was installed - looked great and was running good. Was allowed $12,000 in trade against a 7120.

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Nat

11-18-2005 12:04:04




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to dhermesc, 11-18-2005 07:13:03  
Gotta throw the BS card here, no offense intended. Parts availability is no different for the 786 as the 886 because they're pretty much the same tractor. The 786 is essentially a de-rated 886 to get around OSHA's ROPS Plus, many of the chassis parts are also interchangeable with other '86 series, '66 series, and even '56 and '06 series tractors.



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Allan in NE

11-18-2005 06:48:45




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to Mike in Vt, 11-18-2005 05:59:21  
I'd really like to have an 86 series large frame, but those electronics just scare the daylights outta me.

So, I'm stickin' with my old clunkers! :>)

Allan



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the tractor vet

11-18-2005 07:01:41




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to Allan in NE, 11-18-2005 06:48:45  
There is not that much in a 86 what gives me fits is on the late model 86 is the PFC hdy. when it works it is great but when something happens then it is a pain. The one thing that i do not like on the 86 is the ride they ride rough guess it is because ya are setting to far foward and ya get all the bumps at once and tryen to hook up to something is a pain also tryen to look over the fueltank . On the repair side it takes more stuff to make a split that ya don't need on a open station tractor and a bit of under cab work unhooken line and wires.

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Allan in NE

11-18-2005 07:24:56




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to the tractor vet, 11-18-2005 07:01:41  
Yeah,

On these old ones, after ya get the sheet metal stripped off, they are all pretty much first cousins.

Easy for a dummy like me to work on. :>)

Allan

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RustyFarmall

11-18-2005 06:27:15




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to Mike in Vt, 11-18-2005 05:59:21  
Not trying to be derogatory towards the White but ANY IH tractor will be much easier to find parts for when the time comes, and you will eventually need parts.



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caseyc

11-18-2005 06:20:34




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to Mike in Vt, 11-18-2005 05:59:21  
i would go with the 886 myself. did the 786's have a full cab? all the ones i've seen only had the 4 post rops. a 986 or 1086 would be easier to find. a 986 would have the 436, alittle cheaper and easier to find parts for. the 886 would have a 360 (early one) or the 358 german (late one). both good motors but a tad on the expensive side to fix and alittle tuffer to find parts for. i'm not sure what the 786's had for engines. i guess in the end i would try for a nice 986. expect to pay anywhere from 7-10k for a nice one, that goes for all three, 786, 886, and 986. a 786 may be had cheaper but that's what the few i've seen go for.

casey in SD

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Nat

11-18-2005 06:30:33




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to caseyc, 11-18-2005 06:20:34  
The 786 didn't even have a ROPS.

I believe the 786 was only made in 1980 and/or 1981, and it actually REPLACED the 886 in the lineup. I'm also pretty sure it has the shifter on the right-hand side like the 3088. This is a much improved arrangement over the clumsy left-hand shift of the other '86 series tractors.



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MAGNUM

11-18-2005 07:46:22




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to Nat, 11-18-2005 06:30:33  
the 786 has the 358 german, neighbors have one that is cabless, great over all tractor, only rated at 80hp, the controls are just like any other 86 series the shifters are on the left side, they are very quiet. i have spent many hours on this tractor and i love it, the 3088 is the same tractor,except the controls are on the left and the sheet metal is different. the engine should last 10,000 hours on good maintenence, as for the ride, the neighbors 786 rides like a caddy, so does there 1486 4 post, there 1086 full cab rides like a tank. parts are are no problem to find, the engine parts will be more expensive than a 400 series block, if you would ever have to get into it.
hope this helps!
Jeff

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supermpuller

11-18-2005 09:10:02




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to MAGNUM, 11-18-2005 07:46:22  
We plant with a 786 great tractor 358 motor 80-85 hp 16.9-38 tires easy on fuel .



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MAGNUM

11-18-2005 12:52:39




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 Re: 786 vs. 886 in reply to supermpuller, 11-18-2005 09:10:02  
neighbors has 18.4x38



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