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1941 M Electrical Problem - Bob M I need your HELP

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BIG JOHN

11-17-2005 13:49:16




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Sorry about this, I know that I ask this question before and I printed off your answer but now that I am back to this tractor I can't find the print out.

I have a 1941 "M" with a distributor that has been converted to 12V w/alternator, w/ballast resister ahead of the coil, NEG ground. The problem is that no juice goes to the points when the starter is cranking. As soon as you let up on the starter there is juice to the points. If it doesn't catch then it doesn't start. I have checked the following and everything checks out good, points, condenser, coil, resister. What am I missing?????

Also would you touch on the + & - connections on the coil and what is the correct installation.

THANKS

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Bob M

11-18-2005 05:40:28




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 Re: 1941 M Electrical Problem - Bob M I need your in reply to BIG JOHN, 11-17-2005 13:49:16  
Big John - A couple possibilities:

1 – You have an internally ballasted (so-called “12 volt”) coil. When combined with the series ballast resistor it causes the voltage to drop so low at the coil while cranking that it won’t fire. SOLUTION: Eliminate the ballast resistor!

2 – If your M has been retrofitted with a starter solenoid, the feed to the coil is wired wrong. Punch below for the correct wiring. (This incidentally also shows the proper + and – coil connections….): Good luck and post back what you find!!

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John M

11-18-2005 03:48:22




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 Re: 1941 M Electrical Problem - Bob M I need your in reply to BIG JOHN, 11-17-2005 13:49:16  
While your probelm sounds to me like its not wired correctly, you can search the archives by author and hopefully find your old post. Juts click archives at the top and "search by author"



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El Toro

11-17-2005 15:37:48




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 Re: 1941 M Electrical Problem - Bob M I need your in reply to BIG JOHN, 11-17-2005 13:49:16  
An easy way to remember how to hook up a coil. If + grounded + goes to distributor; if neg ground, neg to distributor. There may be a problem with your switch. Hal



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Janicholson

11-17-2005 16:55:06




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 Re: 1941 M Electrical Problem - Bob M I need your in reply to El Toro, 11-17-2005 15:37:48  
Assuming that the starter has a push rod or big button switch on it, and that the ignition is OK, Try this fix. It bypasses the ignition resistor when starting and allows higher start voltage to the coil/points.

From the starter side of the big switch, run a #12 wire to a 5 amp rated diode. (you can get them from an old alternator, there are six of them in there.)
The used diodes can be either polarity so it needs to be installed so that current passes through it to the far side from where you soldered on the new wire. If it is backward it won't pass current. (to test the diode put one end of it on the + battery post and use a test light on the other. when it lights, that is the correct direction to assemble it into this circuit. Tape up the diode to prevent it from shorting on anything.

run the wire from the diode to the coil + side (or the coil side of the resistor.

The diode prevents current from flowing into the starter when trying to running the tractor. (it won't run without the diode)

Automotive solenoids with four terminals provide this bypass on the "I" terminal, and they isolate the starter without a diode.

It works for millions of vehicles on the road today!! try it.

JimN

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captaink

11-17-2005 19:54:00




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 Re: 1941 M Electrical Problem - Bob M I need your in reply to Janicholson, 11-17-2005 16:55:06  
There is also a possibility that when it was converted to 12 Volts (or even some other time) a remote solenoid was added to the system. I like to use one similar to the ones used on 60’s vintage Ford products that have a separate tap that has power only while the starter is engaged. I run a wire from this tap to the coil side of the ballast resistor to in effect give me 12-volt start/6-volt run. This makes for better starting since the coil isn’t subject to voltage drop caused when the starter is engaged. This might be a place to check for a problem.

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