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Joe Lauricella

11-17-2005 13:33:41




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I'm working on a '73 International model 424 diesel farm tractor with a 12 volt, neg. ground system. I'd like to remove the generator and add an altenator. Has anyone out there done this before? Is there a parts kit available? I'm new to tractor restoration, but this seems like a relatively basic "repair." Can anyone offer any tips or suggestions? Is there a step-by step procedure or manual available? Any ideas or input would be appreciated. Thanks, Joe

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MIKECRUSE

11-17-2005 19:27:01




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 Re: charging system modification in reply to Joe Lauricella, 11-17-2005 13:33:41  
I WOULD LIKE TO CONVERT FROM 6 TO 12 USEING
GM ALT. WITH BUILT IN REG.HOW HARD IS THIS?
WHAT WILL I NEED AND DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE
WHICH SIDE OF ENGINE ALT . IS MOUNTED ON.????
I HAVE JUST BOUGHT AN H .
THANK YOU



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farmallhal

11-18-2005 07:06:26




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 Re: charging system modification in reply to MIKECRUSE, 11-17-2005 19:27:01  
If you want to keep your tractor looking original the Hitachi 14231 alternator will fit in the same space as the orginal 6 volt generator up under the hood. There are a few tricks in making the conversion but is quite simple. If you want to install it in a different location you can mount an alternator anywhere you can find room and where you can get a driving belt to it. The Hitachi alternator was made for the Nissan 620 and 720 1978 - 1980 pickup trucks with a 2 liter engine. They are about an inch smaller in diameter then the GM alternators and cost around $50 for a rebuilt one.
If you choose to go the GM Delco 10SI route you will have to find a way to adjust belt by installing another idler pulley somewhere and somehow for adjusting. There is no room under an un-cut H hood for the GM size alternator for adjustment. If you need more information on this conversion send me an email with your contact info. Hope this helps. Hal

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MIKE CRUSE

11-18-2005 17:54:13




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 Re: charging system modification in reply to farmallhal, 11-18-2005 07:06:26  
THANK YOU ON THE INFO.I DO PLAN ON GM ALT I HAVE
ALL THE HARDWARE AD HAVE MADE A NICE ADJUSTABLE
BRACKET THAT SEEMS TO WORK FINE
THE MAIN PROBLEM I HAVE IS THERE A WIRE DIA.
TO SHOW ME HOW ALL OF THE WIRES GO AND WHERE???
I DO THANK YOU FOR THE HELP..



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farmallhal

11-19-2005 05:34:22




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 Re: charging system modification in reply to MIKE CRUSE, 11-18-2005 17:54:13  
Bob Melville has posted the wiring diagrams on this site and has written an article on coverting to 12 volts. To go to the article click on the "Articles" link under Research & Info to the left. His article titled "A Step by Step 12 Volt Conversion" will be about 3/4 of the way down in the Maintenance and Mechanical Information section of that link. I'll bet that is all you will need for your conversion. Good luck and let me know if you can't it. Hal

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John T

11-17-2005 14:54:27




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 Re: charging system modification in reply to Joe Lauricella, 11-17-2005 13:33:41  
Joe, to add just a bit to Bob's advice, if its not already, the main output wire from the Alternators big rear output stud I replace with 10 gauge. I like to see at least 10 ohms of resistance in the Alternators lil No. 1 side excitation terminal as current limiting protection, however, the idiot light can serve that purpose well provided you use it to excite the alternator as Bob noted. This is for the GM 10SI 3 wire Negative ground Alternator system, they are inexpensive and readily available is why they get used so often.

John T

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Bob

11-17-2005 14:02:23




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 Re: charging system modification in reply to Joe Lauricella, 11-17-2005 13:33:41  
FWIW, I have a 424 diesel AND I've converted a LOT of old tractors to 12 Volt alternators, but my 424 generator has always worked, so I haven't changed it over to an alternator (yet).

What you would need to do is get an alternator, such as a 10SI Delco. With that alternator, you would remove the original voltage regulator.

Take the wire that was on the "BATT" terminal on the old regulator, and connect it securely to the wire that was on the "ARM" (or "GEN"} terminal of the old regulator. Along with the heavy-gauge wire that WAS on the regulator's "ARM" (or "GEN") terminal, there should be a lighter-gauge wire. This is connected to the dash-mounted "idiot light". This wire needs to be separated from the heavy-gauge wire, and extended to reach the alternator's #1 (switched excite) terminal.

The alternator's #2 terminal gets jumpered over to the large output stud. The large wire that used to connect to the generator's "A" (ARM) terminal gets connected to the alternator's large output stud, too.

That completes the wiring.

The alternator should work just as the generator did, and even the "idiot light" will work as it originally did with the generator.

You'll have to do some fab work with the brackets, and likely you'll want a smaller pulley on the alternator that was used on the generator.

Any other questions, post back, and I'll take a look at my 424 when I'm at the farm tomorrow, and post back.

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airtech

11-17-2005 14:47:48




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 Re: charging system modification in reply to Bob, 11-17-2005 14:02:23  
Joe is exactly right on the procedure. I done both a 424 and 384 with this modification and both have worked excellent. After cranking the tractor, it requires raising the RPM at times to start the alternator charging. Once the unit starts charging, it will continue to charge if the RPM is lowered back to idle speed. The bracket is simple to contruct or the mounting bracket from an old chev v8 will allow for a shortcut in bracket fabrication.

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airtech

11-17-2005 14:50:18




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 Re: charging system modification in reply to airtech, 11-17-2005 14:47:48  
I apologize for getting the name wrong!



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