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656 spark plugs fouling

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goterdone

11-05-2005 14:04:23




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I have a farmall 656 that eats plugs. New plugs last about three hours befor they get covered in a black oily gunk and stop firing. Even if I clean them they wont fire again. Compression is 90+ on all cylinders. I did swap the coil with a car ,no change. Where do I start? 3 out of 6 go bad.




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Carl Rob

11-06-2005 15:10:27




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 Re: 656 spark plugs fouling in reply to goterdone, 11-05-2005 14:04:23  
Try some C86-C88L AC plugs.



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Ron Smith

11-06-2005 04:26:50




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 Re: 656 spark plugs fouling in reply to goterdone, 11-05-2005 14:04:23  
Have an old 300 utility and the hotter plug suggestion really worked on it. Had been dangling the plug wires for years to get it to fire on foulded plugs. This was effective, but was a very precise and sensitive way to get it to jump the spark to fire. Also, bumps would drop off the plug wires. Someone said to use the hottest Champion plug I could fine, which I believe is a D18, although, I have heard they make a hotter plug, I haven't found any higher numbers around here. Still have to change out the plugs now and then, but it goes for months now and the last time, it only needed one plug.

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Michael Soldan

11-06-2005 10:12:08




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 Re: 656 spark plugs fouling in reply to Ron Smith, 11-06-2005 04:26:50  
Ron, there is a D21 Champion plug that is recommended for H and M tractors that may other wise foul plugs, I have one H and a M with d21's in it , the other H has Autolite aand both H's work well...I had to order the D21's from Canadian Tire but they got them in about two days...Mike in Exeter Ontario



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El Toro

11-06-2005 04:07:46




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 Re: 656 spark plugs fouling in reply to goterdone, 11-05-2005 14:04:23  
That's a good sign of oil getting past your rings.
You need to do as the others suggested. Overhaul
the engine. Hal



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MN Scott

11-05-2005 20:35:00




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 Re: 656 spark plugs fouling in reply to goterdone, 11-05-2005 14:04:23  
Our 706 did the same thing a few years ago and a complete overhaul fixed her right up. If I remember correctly the compression should be somthing like 140 psi.



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John T

11-05-2005 19:03:56




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 Re: 656 spark plugs fouling in reply to goterdone, 11-05-2005 14:04:23  
When you remove them after fouling do they have a flat black colored but even sooty look, (excess unburned gas) or a shinier wetter uneven look (oil burning). Does she throw much blue smoke out the stack under a load?? thats more of oil burning, but if she throws excess black smoke thats more like excess gas from runnin too rich.

If its excess gas (black smoke), try leaning the carb and insure the chokes opening n staying open and that the air cleaners not clogged up. If its burning oil (blue smoke), maybe run heavier oil like 20W 50 n see if it helps any.

Things that can extend plug life for oil burners or excess gas are to use shutters or thermostats or air flow restrictors on the radiator to get n keep the operating temp up to 180 and over. Of course, a good hot spark form good points n condensor n cap n rotor n wires helps. Try running the plug gap a tad wider and especially USE A HOTTER PLUG then you been using.

While running too rich is easily cured if shes burning oil youre kinda stuck. If worse comes to worse you could swap to an electronic ignition with a high energy high voltage coil and run a wide plug gap. Make sure the spark you have now is good n blue n visible as opposed to a faint thin wimpy yellow spark and if its weak check n replace the points n condensor if needed n try fresh HOTTER plugs n have good plug wires.

John T

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Mike S 806/H

11-05-2005 16:00:01




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 Re: 656 spark plugs fouling in reply to goterdone, 11-05-2005 14:04:23  
We have a 666 that fouls plugs but not as bad as your 656, the best plugs I have run is Autolite # 3116



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old

11-05-2005 15:42:23




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 Re: 656 spark plugs fouling in reply to goterdone, 11-05-2005 14:04:23  
Allan is probably right you have a weak engine. You might try a hotter plug which will help but that will not fix your problem.



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Allan in NE

11-05-2005 15:24:21




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 Re: 656 spark plugs fouling in reply to goterdone, 11-05-2005 14:04:23  
Goter,

You need to overhaul that engine. Anytime you foul plugs, you're pumping oil. Compression test is telling you that things are getting weak also.

Allan



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goterdone

11-06-2005 04:52:59




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 Re: 656 spark plugs fouling in reply to Allan in NE, 11-05-2005 15:24:21  
Thank You one and all. I will try some hotter plugs for now,because I need the tractor. I think I have a winter project now. If I try oil in the cylinder during a compression test and the comp goes up considerably. Is that a sure fire way to determin rings?



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