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Michael Soldan

11-05-2005 12:57:09




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I read the thread on adding acetate to increase mileage. I will admit that I found it as new information to me. I am all for anyone trying something new and as some claim it works, I can't argue
When I was a young pup guys used to talk about putting moth balls in the gas tank to get more power and ultimately speed out of their cars..I don't know if that worked either. However I would be very cautious to try acetate for the fact that "O" rings, rubber gaskets etc could possibly suffer some kind of damage, especially in the fuel injected systems of today. There has been ads for "Gas GENIE" inour local paper, claiming to get up to 20% better mileage...it has been proven nationally to be a farse, does nothing for mileage. I do have something that I guarantee will increase your mileage In my teaching career I certified to teach Driver's Education and I did learn a lot to pass on to students..this will increase your mileage...
Pump all tires up to the Maximum manufacturers PSI recommendation
Install a new air filter with each service of your vehicle
Clean out all unnecessary weight from your vehicle such as tool boxes, cartons of oil, truck cap toppers, roof racks
Don't do jack rabbits starts..accelerate smoothly to highway speed
Drive the speed limit, use cruise

I do these things and I get 25.1 mpg in a 2001 GMC clubcab 2x2. My wife's Pontiac van gets 34mpg on highway trip at highway speed
Now if you think I'm all wet try my suggestions and you can't help but get better fuel mileage...It raining here and I couldn't do anything at the farm..could you tell?..Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Hugh MacKay

11-06-2005 03:33:48




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 Re: Fuel/Acetone discussion in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-05-2005 12:57:09  
Michael: I guess you should have told these guys that every Canadian over 50 still uses miles per Imperial gallon. Your driving principles are very sound. A vast percentage of the population would be quite surprised if they practiced these principles.

In 1999 I went to drive a Peterbuilt with 500hp Cat pulling Super B trains, grossing 140,000 lbs. Now I am not a career truck driver, at that time had never driven a truck over 70,000 lbs gross. This employer owned a fleet of 35 trucks all with that same Cat engine and same transmission and rear end ratios. Every two weeks your fuel milage amoung other things were calculated from the onboard computer. I came in in 9th place, and 1st place for the guys hauling Super B trains. Those other 8 guys did have some road miles on single trailers grossing about 110,000. This set a few of the old career truck drivers on their ear. Some actually wanted to know how I did it. My advice even for that big rig was much the same as yours, one exception, pulling 140,000 lbs. as much as possible you wait for down grade to accelerate from 30 mph to 60 mph. I later drove another truck with that Scan device, giving you constant readout on fuel milage. In my opinion a great little option for someone with bad habits. I found a few of my own.

You mention tires, and tire inflation is very important, but equally important is the condition of tires themselves. It is surprising the number of folks driving with broken radials. Retread tires are another one that can cost fuel milage. Fine if they are in good condition but many are not. I talked my current employer into getting rid of retreads on one trailer. That was 6 months ago, yes we did get fuel savings, and yes MTO guys are no longer taking time to inspect the tires at scales. There are good reasons for these inspections, mainly the lifted tire recaps lieing along our roadsides.

I know I have dwelled on heavy trucks, however as a percentage guys, your full size pickup or minivan will be no different. As I told a guy on the CB radio one day when he asked how I ever managed to get by some road construction with Peterbuilt and Super B train. He had warned in advance, I should take an alternate route. When ask how I ever got through, my responce," This rig is a lot closer to a Honda Civic on manuverability than most folks would ever believe."

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Steven@AZ

11-05-2005 17:11:59




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 Re: Fuel/Acetone discussion in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-05-2005 12:57:09  
My experience with acetone has been a 1 to 3 mpg increase over several tanks of fuel. I did my best not to alter my driving habits between tanks with and without acetone. Sorry no scientific testing...

Anyway, by installing a transmission with higher gearing (numerically lower) in my car when I needed a new tranny, I now get 45 miles per gallon from my del Sol. This is with about 25% city and 75% highway miles at 75 mph on the highway. Of course it is a relatively light, 2 seater car with a 1.5 liter 4 banger that only has 100 horsepower... economy with style.

For my 01 Accord I have a ScanGauge that tells me mpg in real-time and also has a trip computer built into it. I can use the mpg meter to keep my foot out of it at the right times to save fuel/raise economy. Every little thing helps.

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PAULIH300

11-05-2005 17:44:52




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 Re: Fuel/Acetone discussion in reply to Steven@AZ, 11-05-2005 17:11:59  
That Scan Gauge box,that actually gives a constantly updated MPG readout? I have read some on it,and really dont know how the OBDII diagnostics can determine gas mileage.If there is no fuel flow meter,or Mass airflow sensor,how does it know how much fuel is being consumed?Just thru O2 sensor,TPS,MAP,temp sensor readings I cannot see how it works.I also see at $130 its a huge seller.I guess a lot of people want to see how badly their mileage really is!

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Steven@AZ

11-05-2005 17:52:11




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 Re: Fuel/Acetone discussion in reply to PAULIH300, 11-05-2005 17:44:52  
Well, I got a deal on mine for setting up a group buy of selling 10 in one bunch... I wanted a scan tool to reset the ECU's on vehicles and the ScanGauge costs about the same as a decent code scanner - and of course I got the deal on mine :o)

Anyway, there must be some way of determining fuel flow because Gallons Per Hour is a choice for one of the readouts.

It updates every 2 seconds or something like that. It can read anything that your ECU knows. My Accord will show everything except fuel pressure.

I have to say it has really helped me improve my driving habits for mpg. I was making 24 mpg in town and now can usually pull 28 from it by watching the gauge.

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PAULIH300

11-05-2005 17:56:59




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 Re: Fuel/Acetone discussion in reply to Steven@AZ, 11-05-2005 17:52:11  
Hopefully you are watching the road and not just the Scan Gauge!! lol



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scotc

11-05-2005 19:08:14




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 Re: Fuel/Acetone discussion in reply to PAULIH300, 11-05-2005 17:56:59  
it's rather simple. The injectors flow x amount fuel for y amount of time. The computer adjusts y for best a/f ratio thru O2 sensor readings. Knowing how long each injector is open and multiplying that by flow rate gives fuel usage over a certin amount of time and then it's just math to figure miles per gallon/pound.



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Haas

11-05-2005 14:03:56




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 Re: Fuel/Acetone discussion in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-05-2005 12:57:09  
Are those mileage figures for Imperial gallons??



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PAULIH300

11-05-2005 15:57:12




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 Re: Fuel/Acetone discussion in reply to Haas, 11-05-2005 14:03:56  
It cant be US gallons,because I tried my hardest to drive carefully on a company 1990 C1500 4.3/5-speed longbed a number of years back,and got a best of 24.1 avg,but that was short shifting and carrying no loads of any size.The engine also had over 200,000 miles so there was next to no friction in the engine to further waste fuel.I cannot imagine an extended cab,V8/automatic getting better mileage than that.After all,a truck is aerodynamically a brick.If you could get 25mpg from a V8 truck,just think what a V8 Camaro or Mustang could do.

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Geoff NY

11-05-2005 13:11:15




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 Re: Fuel/Acetone discussion in reply to Michael Soldan, 11-05-2005 12:57:09  
Thanks Michael, vey good advice. I think we also need to think "how badly do I need to make this trip to town"? I know that when I"m in the middle of a project, I seem to make a lot of trips to the hardware store.



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Glenn F.

11-05-2005 16:16:26




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 Re: Fuel/Acetone discussion in reply to Geoff NY, 11-05-2005 13:11:15  
Ya' know, I agree with ya' there. Once an old timer gave me a bit of advice which at the time didn't seem all that profound...."If ya' don't go to town, ya' don't spend money." As time passed I thought more and more about his statement. He is absolutely right. I usually have about 2-3 jobs going,(none of them emergencies), and when I have come to a dead end on all of them, it's time to go to town. If the car doesn't leave the driveway, I'm money ahead. It's amazing how resourceful one can get to avoid a trip to town. By the way, this old timer lived by his principle. He was the wage earner of the home with the Mrs. being a stay at home mom. He managed to put 5 children through private school with 3 of them graduating from private college, DEBT free. He was a physical therapist at a nearby nursing home. A very skilled and clever man. Glenn F.

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PAULIH300

11-05-2005 16:30:07




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 Re: Fuel/Acetone discussion in reply to Glenn F., 11-05-2005 16:16:26  
That saying needs to be updated...."if yer dont go to town,and yer dont go to EBAY.com or even online at all,yer money ahead."
I would hate to think all I have purchased thanks to the world wide web....



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