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pa belote

11-03-2005 11:32:20




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out of a model 93 combine. 381269R. was tole it was a 50 hp but it looks like a 140 or super one except the carberator an manifold. the gasket for
them is from a c. looks like a industrial moter. would apreciate any help. parts man said his computer wouldnt go back that far. it was made in canada.




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El Toro

11-04-2005 04:10:46




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 Re: moter id in reply to pa belote, 11-03-2005 11:32:20  
The C153 does not have sleeves as most IH tractors have. If the cylinders are ever worn beyond std the block would need to be bored oversize if the engine block has enough metal.
Hal



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Hugh MacKay

11-05-2005 01:56:19




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 Re: moter id in reply to El Toro, 11-04-2005 04:10:46  
Hal: When I had 504, I was told there was not enough metal for boring. Now, I will admit I didn't ask for second opinions. I was in a situation either my old 300 or the 7 year old 504 were being traded off on a new tractor. Since I only wanted the tractor for pulling hay and silage wagons, plus the IH dealer would allow me $3,000. more for 504 than 300, money was tight, plus 300 had more drawbar pull. All those factors entered into my decission.

I could readily see the dealers position, 7 year old 504 with 3 point hitch and 1,500 hours was worth a lot more on his lot than a 20 year old 300 with 15,000 hours and on it's 3rd set of pistons and sleves.

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El Toro

11-05-2005 04:03:32




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 Re: moter id in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-05-2005 01:56:19  
They used a lot of those 504's at APG for mowing off the firing ranges. They had armor plated
cabs built on these tractors to protect the operators in case a dud was detonated. They received good service from these tractors. The maintenance was provided by a government contractor. I would think that 504 block could
withstand being bored oversize at least up to .030". That seem to me to be odd for IH not to sleeve the engine in this tractor.

I had a Chevy Vega with that aluminum block and they had a lot of problems with those engines.
There was a machine shop not far from where I worked. The owner had a brother that worked at APG as a test driver and he happened to be our test driver on a test vehicle. I was telling him about the Vega and he said his brother was sleeving those engines and I pulled the engine
and took it to him. It sure made a difference
with that engine. It never used oil. Hal
PS: It's like summer here today.

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Hugh MacKay

11-05-2005 06:01:51




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 Re: moter id in reply to El Toro, 11-05-2005 04:03:32  
Hal: I must admit, that opinion on not enough metal to bore was that of the IH dealer, so he may have been a bit biased in his opinion. He did afterall prefer getting 504 to 300 on tradein. We both walked away from this deal happy. He sold the 504 within a month and I had a 300 I could re-sleve without boring.

Nice and mild here this morning also, 54 degrees F, been having a run of nice sunny days. It's been warmer than usual for here.

I was just out and killed two birds with one stone, so to speak. My drivway is about 400', east side field is lower than drivway, west side field is higher than drivway. Two years ago west side was in corn as it was again this year. Corn stalks from behind combine caused snow to pile in 2' deep two years ago. With corn stalks holding it, just about impossible for 130 to push the snow back. This morning I took Super A with Woods mower and mowed down 12 rows of corn stalks. Those cobs make a lot of noise under the belly mower, plus quite heavy work on the mower, however the corn material cleaned underside of mower deck as though it had been sand blasted. I was dreading cleaning that deck. 30 min. of mowing saved 2 hours of scraping and brushing. Now I'm ready for snow, and it wont hurt my feelings if snow blade gets rusty.

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Nat

11-03-2005 13:47:32




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 Re: moter id in reply to pa belote, 11-03-2005 11:32:20  
That's just the part number for the block.

There should be a small machined flat on the block somewhere with the displacement information and a serial number. It'll be "C???" for the displacement, followed by a 3 to 6 digit number that is the serial number.



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El Toro

11-03-2005 13:46:18




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 Re: moter id in reply to pa belote, 11-03-2005 11:32:20  
My manual has the C153 engine for the 93 combine.
This engine was used in the 2444, 2504 and the 404 IH tractors.

Your Case/IH dealer should have parts for this engine. Hal



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CNKS

11-03-2005 17:07:54




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 Re: moter id in reply to El Toro, 11-03-2005 13:46:18  
404 had the C135.



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El Toro

11-03-2005 18:28:27




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 Re: moter id in reply to CNKS, 11-03-2005 17:07:54  
You're right again. Hal



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pa belote

11-03-2005 15:19:35




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 Re: moter id in reply to El Toro, 11-03-2005 13:46:18  
i would like to thank both yall for yalls help. it has c 153 an the 16289. do this moter put out 50 hp. once again apreciate the help



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Hugh MacKay

11-03-2005 23:50:00




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 Re: moter id in reply to pa belote, 11-03-2005 15:19:35  
It would take a vivid imagination to get 50 hp out of a C-153 engine. I had both 300 and 504 back when they were still relatively new tractors. Believe me the 300 will work with the 504 any day. I'm talking about a 504 with 1500 hours versus a 300 with about 15,000 hours. That C-153 has to be the poorest engine ever designed by IH.



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CNKS

11-03-2005 17:05:42




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 Re: moter id in reply to pa belote, 11-03-2005 15:19:35  
Same engine as in 504 -- Belt HP 45, drawbar will be a little less. 50 is possible, depending on what has been done to it.



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El Toro

11-03-2005 15:57:36




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 Re: moter id in reply to pa belote, 11-03-2005 15:19:35  
I would say the hp is between 30 to 35. Hal



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pa belote

11-04-2005 04:15:05




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 Re: moter id in reply to El Toro, 11-03-2005 15:57:36  
once again thanks for the info. was tryin get to run a 3 inch irigation pump with about 17 heads.
my buddy was talkin about tradein to put it in his super a. that much power it will tear the gears out im betin

thanks yall



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El Toro

11-04-2005 05:08:33




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 Re: moter id in reply to pa belote, 11-04-2005 04:15:05  
He would better off to sell the Super A and get a
bigger tractor. Hal



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pa belote

11-04-2005 11:51:04




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 Re: moter id in reply to El Toro, 11-04-2005 05:08:33  
that tractor put 3 kids thru school workin gold leaf. hes retired an only tendin a garden these days an it dont get much better tendin than with the super a or 140. - just my opinion -
thanks again



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El Toro

11-04-2005 13:17:53




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 Re: moter id in reply to pa belote, 11-04-2005 11:51:04  
That sounds like me and it doesn't get any better than that. Hal
PS: What's Gold Leaf? tobacco!



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pa belote

11-04-2005 17:47:52




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 Re: moter id in reply to El Toro, 11-04-2005 13:17:53  
yep. soon to be a thang of the past in nc



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El Toro

11-04-2005 17:55:19




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 Re: moter id in reply to pa belote, 11-04-2005 17:47:52  
My Granddad grew that for years and he didn't spend all his time in the fields. He had 13 kids
too. Hal



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pa belote

11-04-2005 18:55:31




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 Re: moter id in reply to El Toro, 11-04-2005 17:55:19  
they tryin burley on flat land now. still aint no future.
thanks again been my pleasure



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