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tn terry t

11-02-2005 18:08:29




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anyone tell me what the warning lite in an alternator set up is for i am puting an alternator on with out the lite i guess its back feeding and wont let the engine shut off by the switch




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John T

11-02-2005 20:15:17




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 Re: warning lite? in reply to tn terry t, 11-02-2005 18:08:29  
Terry, some people use what I refer to as an "idiot light" as opposed to an ammeter to tell when the alternator is working. When people convert to a GM 10 SI 3 wire alternator they need a voltage source to excite the lil No. 1 side terminal, and many simply add the idiot light in series with a wire from the ignition switch (or coil) to the alternators lil No. 1 side terminal. HOWEVER if the light they use is a lot less then 10 ohms (although it may still work excet for the run on problem) it doesnt provide the needed current limiting protection for the alternators internal diodes. THEREFORE I recommend a 10 ohm resistor (see below). A voltage source is required on the No. 1 terminal to excite the field for the alternator to kick in and start to charge, which is why one sees a voltage feed there regardless if direct off the coil or through an idiot light or a resistor and diode etc.

Your same type of question came up earlier today on another board so I will copy n paste my same answer below. The diodes I use are 5 amp with a minimum of 50 PIV. Thats actually rated higher then required but it has bigger leads easier to wire in. Heres my other answer which applies to you:

Jubal, In addition to Olds good advice, heres my take on your question:

If it runs on, the very FIRST THING I RECOMMEND (if youre not using an idiot light in the circuit) is to install a safety 10 ohm resistor in the excitation circuit to the Alternators lil No. 1 side Excitation terminal. That serves as current limiting protection to protect the alternators internal diodes.

In the event youre using an idiot light in that circuit, it can serve as the desired current limiting protection, but if its resistance just happens to be a lot less then 10 ohms, I would still add some resistance so theres a total of at least 10 ohms (idiot light plus resistance) in the excitation circuit.

Nowwwww wwww its often the case once you add the desired 10 ohm resistor or an idiot light the run on stops. HOWEVER if she still runs on, then add a diode as Old recommended. Its acts as a one way current flow check valve so the alternator dont backfeed the ignition n she shuts off properly. IT MUST BE WIRED IN CORRECT POLARITY + Anode end to coil/switch, - Cathode end to Alternator or it wont work.

The above is for the GM 10SI 3 wire Negative Ground alternators.

Sure, Ive seen plenty with no currrent limiting protective resistance n they worked fine,,,,, ,,Ive seen some that run on while others dont,,,,, ,,,,but Ive seen some fried internal electronics on the Alternators which may well have beec caused by overcurrent or spikes or surges etc.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T Nordhoff in Indiana, retired electrical engineer

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old

11-02-2005 19:24:16




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 Re: warning lite? in reply to tn terry t, 11-02-2005 18:08:29  
Its not really a warning light, its sort of a shut down light. With out a light or a diode the #1 termanal will backfeed and thats why your tractor will not shut down. I like the diode because you can sort of hide it and with the light well its a lot harder to hide.



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tn terry t

11-02-2005 19:40:41




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 Re: warning lite? in reply to old, 11-02-2005 19:24:16  
thanks old would you happen to have the value of that diode(size -number)



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John T

11-03-2005 09:35:26




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 Re: warning lite? in reply to tn terry t, 11-02-2005 19:40:41  
Terry, I usually use a 5 amp minimum 50 PIV diode available from Rat Shack or any electronics shop. Thats more amps then actually needed, but the leads are big enough ad its heavy enough to wire easily. Dont forget to wire its + to switch/coil and - to alternator. Also dont forget I HIGHLY RECOMMEND the use of a safety current limiting protective 10 ohm resistor (can protect internal electronics from a current surge or voltage spoke) as an ounce or prevention may be worth more then a pound of cure. It cheap n easy only costing pennies and might prevent an expensive problem. Sure Ive seen em do fine without one but based on what Ive read and my engineerign experience, I wouldnt be without one but its your tractor n your call.

Best wishes n God Bless yall

John T, retired electrical engineer

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Bob

11-02-2005 20:58:06




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 Re: warning lite? in reply to tn terry t, 11-02-2005 19:40:41  
1N5006

OR: 1N5008

(Ratings of these are WAY overkill, but they're CHEAP, and will never give you any trouble.)



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tn terry t

11-03-2005 03:16:57




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 Re: warning lite? in reply to Bob, 11-02-2005 20:58:06  
thanks alot going to try to pick up a few today I could not figure out why i could put those conversions on our bigger tractors with out the lite or diode but not our smaller ones DUH! the biger one are diesel. well that was smart of me. again you guys come thru for me terry t



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