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pamike

10-30-2005 03:09:54




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There are so many anti-gels on the market. Is there any that is made for, or better for tractors?




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Michael Soldan

10-30-2005 14:48:08




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 Re: diesel fuel treatment in reply to pamike, 10-30-2005 03:09:54  
Pamike, I use a product called "Three-in-One", it removes moisture, cleans injectors and lubes the pump. Hugh is quite right that methal Hydrate from the drug store is all you need for moisture and as an anti gel. Don't forget that you can add 10% gasoline to diesel to keep it from geling, Volkswagon diesel recommends car owners use 10% gasoline in extreme cold weather. A buddy of mine was an AC dealer for over 40 years and he tells me to put automatic transmission fluid in the diesel fuel to remove moisture and lube the pump. ATF has an affinity for moisture and does get it out of the system. In winter I use winter diesel and add my 3in1, and a quart(liter) of oil to a tank of fuel. The oil lubes and does create energy...havent had a problem with gelling, an injector or fuel line freezing since I bought my first diesel in 1985....Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Hugh MacKay

10-30-2005 15:06:23




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 Re: diesel fuel treatment in reply to Michael Soldan, 10-30-2005 14:48:08  
Mike Got my first desel in 1963, since that time had 4 other diesel tractors, diesel combine 2 diesel trucks. Since my farming days I have also logged a few thousand miles per year on big diesels. I have never used any product other than methyl hydrate. Never did a rebuild under 10,000 hours. My 6.2 Chevy went 1/2 million miles and frame rusted after 15 years, guy bought the engine and last I heard it was still going. The Mack truck I'm driving right now has 14,000 hours on engine.

I can take you to truck fleet owners, some of them logging in the millions of miles every year, nothing but methyl hydrate is ever added to diesel fuel. These so called diesel fuel conditioners do little more than relieve folks of their hard earned money.

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El Toro

10-30-2005 15:42:26




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 Re: diesel fuel treatment in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-30-2005 15:06:23  
Hi Hugh, The military uses a diesel fuel known as DFA. We had vehicles at-65 degrees we never had a gel problem. The vehicles with coolant heaters usually would start. The best were the Soviets with 10 minutes of preheat would start like summer time. We made 3 starts using the
same batteries. We had a thermocouple in the engine oil pan and we would soak until the temp
reached -65. I don't think much fighting would be going on at that temp. Hal

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Hugh MacKay

10-31-2005 00:43:32




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 Re: diesel fuel treatment in reply to El Toro, 10-30-2005 15:42:26  
Hal: I've only experienced -40 temps twice in my life, once in 1956 and second time in 1996. In 96 I discovered the block heater on my 6.2 Chevy was not working. Engine was clean of any leaks. I filled a 12" cast iron fry pan with charcoal from barbeque ignited the charcoal and when flame died down placed it under oil pan of 6.2 diesel. 15 min later it was a summer like start. Maybe not as much technology as the Soviets, yet it was a preheat.

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El Toro

10-31-2005 03:48:29




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 Re: diesel fuel treatment in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-31-2005 00:43:32  
They used a mini-boiler that heated the coolant and the oil pans were shrouded with sheet metal to deflect the exhaust around the pans. This one vehicle had twin engines. I think 5 minutes was all the time needed for preheat. Hal



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Hugh MacKay

10-30-2005 13:57:00




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 Re: diesel fuel treatment in reply to pamike, 10-30-2005 03:09:54  
mike: There is only one product to prevent diesel fuel from gelling, and that is methyl hydrate. In all those expensive diesel fuel additives, the one component that prevents gelling is methyl hydrate. Furthermore, no matter what manufacturer you buy it from or in what form, the methyl hydrate will evaporate in a week or so. All the so called conditioners your ever need are in good diesel fuel, purchased from a reputable supplier. These products are just a money grab.

The only time to add methyl hydrate is at tractor refueling. If you are burning a tankfull evey few day it will work fine. If tractor is parked for a week or more you will need to add more methyl hydrate.

Save your money, get a gallon of methyl hydrate. Go to farm store it will be about $7.00 per gallon. Drug stores sell same thing for about half. Drugists sometimes get a bit testy about your use of all this alcohol. By the way, methyl hydrate will work as a lock deicer and is what is used in your whindshield washer liquid to prevent freezing. Same gallon jug can beef up your windshield washer, or thaw your locks.

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nofirefarmall

10-30-2005 06:03:46




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 Re: diesel fuel treatment in reply to pamike, 10-30-2005 03:09:54  
The best is POWER SERVICE , I put it in my tractor year around. It is good for your pump and injectors.



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PAULIH300

10-30-2005 18:45:46




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 Re: diesel fuel treatment in reply to nofirefarmall, 10-30-2005 06:03:46  
Yes,Power Service is an old product,and on the back says it doesnt contain alcohol...so I dont know what they use to replace the "methyl alchohol" with.By the way,methyl alcohol is whats in cheap dry gas,and it rusts fuel tanks,and attacks rubber.Just the thing to have in a diesel...with all those seals in the injectors and rotary pump.Methanol also separates the water from the fuel,instead of combining it like isopropyl does,so it could still freeze solid at the bottom of an automotive style gas tank.

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