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Randy-IA

10-25-2005 05:03:52

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Hi , First of all , Thanks to everyone who resonded to " glutten for punishment " !

Now for the kicker , If I have to turn wheel's around what do I need to take with me and how much time can I expect to spend doing it ? I suspect these wheel's haven't been removed in decades so I really doubt I'm going to budge them anyway without motorized support ( skid steer or loader ) . I'm going to look at a H tonight or tomorrow , are they the same ( size fasteners ) and otherwise ? Got to get to work now , I'm already late , Thanks ....Randy

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dej(JED)

10-26-2005 10:38:40

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to Randy-IA, 10-25-2005 05:03:52

Why don't you call them and ask them to measure it. What would that cost , $.50?

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Randy-IA

10-26-2005 17:40:28

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to dej(JED), 10-26-2005 10:38:40

Hi , Excuse me but I'm not in a very good mood right now and that didn't come across as anything more than smarta$$ . You think you are the only smart one on this forum ? Comment's like that are not only rude they are unnecessary . But I will tell you why I haven't " called " them . I bought it off eBay and I don't have their phone # yet . So , since I've never owned a M I wanted to know how wide I could expect a M to be from the narrow to the wide so I could rent an appropriate trailer or bring the semi from work . Is that OK with you ? Thank you ...Randy

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dej(JED)

10-27-2005 09:46:03

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to Randy-IA, 10-26-2005 17:40:28

Sorry _ I don't buy from ebay. An M is approx. 84 inches wide with 13.6 tires ,both pushed in. Remember you can get away with 84 wide in an 82 gap. The tires will crush down some. If you flip one rim and shove the other in, you will be good to go. An H is about 77 wide on 11.2 tires. Also the bolts aren't hard to turn, itis teh outsid elug nuts that will shear off. The hub bolts seldom break. Just take a pipe and a good rachet.Once you break it loose, jack it up and wiggle it. There is so much leverage that it will move.Move it back and forth while pulling and it should walk out. Beware of fluid in tires though, they are heavy. Good luck.

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Randy-IA

10-27-2005 18:39:35

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to dej(JED), 10-27-2005 09:46:03

Hi , Sorry I blowed up . Thank's for the info ! I finally found a trailer that will work without moving the wheel's . I also got a phone call from the owner finally , he told me it was what you said - 84" . The trailer is a 82" tilt deck . It's going to cost a little more but I'll forget that in a couple week's . ( the benefit's of early onset oldtimers disease :') . It's a far site better than the semi . Take care ...Randy

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Bob Frey

10-25-2005 15:32:22

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to Randy-IA, 10-25-2005 05:03:52

Where in Iowa are you at Randy? I have a gooseneck that isn't doing anything for a while.

Bob

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Randy-IA

10-25-2005 17:34:03

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to Bob Frey, 10-25-2005 15:32:22

Hi Bob , I'm near Waverly , Or to be a little more accurate I'm about 1/2 way between Clarksville and Plainfield . Where are you ? I found a nice aluminum trailer for rent but they are a car dealership and haven't licensed it this year yet . It's big enough ( I hope ) but it depend's on what their insurance company say's about going out of state . It's a 5 hour drive there from Waverly you know . I'll let you know on here if I might have to take you up on that offer . Thanks ...Randy

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Bob Frey

10-26-2005 07:44:05

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to Randy-IA, 10-25-2005 17:34:03

Sac City here. I don't know what way you need to go to get the tractor but let me know if you would like to use the trailer.

Bob

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26Red

10-25-2005 11:55:08

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to Randy-IA, 10-25-2005 05:03:52

You will need a large 3/4" drive breaker bar with a large socket, I can't remember the size but it is at least 1-1/4"? Don't forget a cheater pipe (3FT LONG) to slip over the breaker bar to make things easy.

Bring a can of penetrating oil, a hydraulic bottle jack and some blocks of wood to get the jack at the right height under the axle housing.

And bring some extra muscle too! It is at least a 2 man job.

I helped a guy spin the tires around on a MD once. It took us a good hour to do it.

good luck...

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Randy-IA

10-25-2005 17:45:32

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to 26Red, 10-25-2005 11:55:08

Hi , I could only hope they come off that easy , but I'm hoping I don't have to move them at all . ...Randy

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Jay (ND)

10-25-2005 06:18:17

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to Randy-IA, 10-25-2005 05:03:52

When I picked up my H a couple of weeks ago, I was able to rent a real heavy triple axle trailer from our soil conservation office for $25 for a half day. That tractor was as safe as a toad in God's pocket on that trailer. The SCS office also rents out batwing mowers for mowing CRP. They have this stuff for maintaining their own stuff and tree planting. If you can get something like that, it's worth every penny.

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Randy-IA

10-25-2005 17:51:52

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to Jay (ND), 10-25-2005 06:18:17

Hi Jay , I don't know where I would even go around here but next time ( yeah , there WILL be a next time ) I'll have my own trailer so I won't have to go through this again . Thanks for the thought ...Randy

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fluggie in IA

10-25-2005 06:14:05

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to Randy-IA, 10-25-2005 05:03:52

I read your "glutten . . ." forum and then again here and I agree with the majority that you must exhaust every option to haul it right. There are way too many dangerous rigs on the road already . Don't contribute to the problem. There is one other way I have seen them hauled and that's to take the wheels & tires off the cast hubs and set it down on the bed on the hubs. That makes it about a foot narrower and, should those bolts break off while removing the wheels, you aren't "dead in the water" like with the center hub bolts - still better to get the right rig tho.
good luck with the haul and the M

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Randy-IA

10-25-2005 18:24:06

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to fluggie in IA, 10-25-2005 06:14:05

Hi fluggie , Interesting handle by the way :-) . You really don't need to worry about me hauling . If I find out from the owner that it's to wide to transport then I don't buy it or he narrows it or help's narrow it . I can still take the semi from work , it's got 102" wide deck . My job involves hauling demo'd bridges and building's and heavy equipment and small equipment and just about anything that will fit on a vehicle or trailer . Loading thing's safely is one of the only thing's I'm good at . I've been doing it for over 17 years without a lost load or an accident or even a ticket for having the load in the wrong place on the trailer and breaking the bridge law's . For those of you that don't drive semi's , a bridge law doesn't deal with bridges directly but the weight transfer from one set of axles to the other caused by load placement . Some of the equipment I haul is in the 45,000lb range . That's not real heavy . One of the cranes I drive is 91,000lbs and 11 feet wide . It's a truck crane so I drive it to were it has to go . I'm not tring to be smarta$$ and I know you don't know me so read this as a letter of re-assurance . I won't do it if I don't feel it's safe . I agree with you about the unsafe small vehicle's pulling trailer's that are overloaded or loaded with all the weight on the tow vehicles rear end . Rest easy ...Randy

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RustyFarmall

10-25-2005 06:00:37

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to Randy-IA, 10-25-2005 05:03:52

Randy, surely you have a buddy that owns a gooseneck high deck trailer? Even if you have to pay him to go after it the cost would only be slightly higher than buying the fuel for your bosses big rig. Just weigh all the options before you decide. I really don't think parking the tractor on top of planks is a good idea for the distance you need to travel, and if the tractor is not positioned on the trailer to give the proper weight distribution you are going to experience one of the absolute worst rides in your life, not to mention being a hazard to yourself and everyone else on the road. Spend a little more money and do it right.

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Randy-IA

10-25-2005 19:04:47

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to RustyFarmall, 10-25-2005 06:00:37

Hi RustyFarmall , No actually I don't . I know about 5 people in Iowa not counting the ones I've worked with . I don't seem to be a very social person . I'm searching and my BIL is searching for an appropriate trailer and we think we found one . It's not a deckover but it's as close as we can find , 82" wide . If all goes well we'll have it to take . If I find out the tractor is over 88" wide and less than 102" I'll take the semi from work , if it's over 102" wide and the owner won't narrow it up or have something there to help with getting it narrow then I'll take the negative feedback and not buy it and lose the 100 buck's I already sent for it . See the response I posted to fluggie in Ia . I agree with you and it will be done safe or it won't be done at all . By the way , putting plank under the wheel's is something I have done in the past BUT it HAS to be bridge plank , 4" to 5" thick and 16" wide , laid full width directly on the deck and nailed down with barn spikes . No more than 2/3 of the tire can be over the side of the trailer on the plank . With the trailer we found to bring this is not an option anymore since it's a all aluminum trailer . This is not an endorsment to do thing's unsafely . But done ( like all thing's ) with more than a little common sense it can be done safely . Take care ...Randy

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Allan in NE

10-25-2005 05:55:03

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to Randy-IA, 10-25-2005 05:03:52

Randy,

Don't ya think you are going about this all wrong? The last old tractor I moved the wheels on took 3 days of cussin', sweatin' and bellyachin'.

I'd get a different trailer, go load the thing up and bring 'er home.

Just my opinion however,

Allan

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Randy-IA

10-25-2005 19:14:44

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to Allan in NE, 10-25-2005 05:55:03

Hi Allan , Yup , I do and I'm working on it . As I've been saying on all the post's I've replied replied to above , it'll be done right and safe . If I get up there and find the wheels are too wide and we can't get them narrowed up to fit the trailer we brought then I lost the 100 buck's and gas money and rent on the trailer and re-learned what I already thought . Take care ...Randy

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Nat

10-25-2005 05:42:04

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to Randy-IA, 10-25-2005 05:03:52

Your problem won't be with moving the wheels, it will be with loosening the bolts on the clamps. They're probably badly rusted and may twist off, leaving you totally screwed with a tractor you now drove many hours to retrieve, but can't move.

An H is the same design, but I'm not sure if they're the same size bolts. You will want to take an assortment of wrenches, preferably 6-point box end or 6-point 3/4" sockets, and lots of Kroil or PB Blaster. It could take minutes, or hours, or days, to loosen the bolts, if they can be loosened.

A couple good strong guys can do the wheels if there's no fluid, and they're careful to not allow the wheel to tip too far from vertical. Any doubt? Use a loader. I recommend pumping the fluid out regardless, as it's dead weight and gas is expensive.

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Randy-IA

10-25-2005 19:18:15

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Re: Another M question on width in reply to Nat, 10-25-2005 05:42:04

Hi Nat , Thanks . I hope I don't have to move them . ...Randy

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