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PennsMike

10-24-2005 14:47:53




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I have a 656 with 2 remotes to run a loader. The outer romote is leaking from the very back. There is what appears to be a screw on cap, and then a small piece in the center of that cap. The small piece is about 1/4" in diameter and pressed into the larger cap. The leak appears to be coming from both pieces. Can anyone shed any light on this? Thanks




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K.B.-826

10-24-2005 16:38:56




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 Re: 656 remote leak in reply to PennsMike, 10-24-2005 14:47:53  
Sounds to me like your detent piston o-ring is leaking. The piece you describe as a "screw on cap"- this is a large plug screwed into a short length of large pipe, and the pipe screws into the remote valve body, right? And the piece you describe as "pressed into the cap and 1/4" in diameter", if you pry it out and look inside, do you see what looks like a flat-headed screw head? If so, we're on the right track. To repair, disconnect the control lever from the spool at the front of the valve, next, unscrew the piece I describe as a short length of large pipe from the back of the valve. Now you can withdraw the spool and detent assembly from the valve body from the rear. Clamp it in a vise by the piece I describe as a short length of large pipe, and unscrew the large cap from the end. Keep the parts in order, and remove everything from the end of the spool. At this point you should be left with the spool and the detent body. Unscrew the adjusting screw from the detent body and remove the insides, being careful not to lose the balls. Now clamp the spool in the vise by the very end where the lever attaches, and using a punch as a handle, unscrew the detent body from the spool. You should now be able to remove the tiny detent piston. Get a new piston w/ o-ring from your Case-IH dealer, plus the two o-rings that seal the spool to the valve body, plus the o-ring that seals the detent body to the spool. Assembley is the reverse of removal, when you're done you'll need to adjust unlatching pressure, you'll need a 5000 psi guage for that. This job is much easier than I make it sound, but I haven't had one apart for a year. An I&T manual will really help you.

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PennsMike

10-25-2005 09:15:02




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 Re: 656 remote leak in reply to K.B.-826, 10-24-2005 16:38:56  
I dont have the tractor in front of me, but that sounds about right. I have a manual for the tractor on order. So basically the o-rings are leaking and need replaced? Would these leaks affect the hydraulic pressure? We cant seam to lift like our old 656 could. Also, why a 5000 psi gauge? Wouldnt like a 2500 psi gauge be enough?
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K.B.-826

10-25-2005 16:19:12




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 Re: 656 remote leak in reply to PennsMike, 10-25-2005 09:15:02  
In addition to the three o-rings you disturb during disassembly, to stop the leak you replace the detent piston and it"s o-ring. Reason for this is because the o-ring is very difficult to install onto the piston without wrecking it, so Case-IH sells the piston and o-ring as an assembly. You can save a couple $ and try relacing just the o-ring, but you"ll be back in there again soon. No, this does not have anything to do with lifting power. When you"ve got the lever latched in either the forward or rear position, the detent piston is what unlatches the detent and causes the lever to return to the middle position when the pressure you"ve got it adjusted for is reached. I would use a 5000 psi guage to be safe, depending on what"s been done to it, a 656 could develop 2500 psi easy.

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Janicholson

10-24-2005 15:36:53




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 Re: 656 remote leak in reply to PennsMike, 10-24-2005 14:47:53  
Assuming you are describing a quick connect coupler, and not the cylinder or valve.
The quick connect probably has dirt in it from coupling with dirt on the male fitting. It May be possible to couple and uncouple several times and eliminate the leak. But, often, the seal may be damaged and need to be replaced. a good hudraulic shop may assist if the parts are common. If they are IH production the dealer may have them in stock.
Good luck. JimN

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