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Farmall A or is it a B

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Rhody

10-23-2005 13:28:29




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I have what I thought was a Farmall B, but when we decided to do a little head work and give her a paint job, the serial tag says "A".

Now, I've seen Farmall A's and their discription. And my A doesn't fit.

It has centered steering like a C with the wide conversion for 66" row crops, with offset seating. Mechanical hand lifts for the cultivator bars.

So, I'm wondering if this is a local conversion that maybe a dealer had done for farmers.

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gene bender

10-24-2005 01:57:47




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to Rhody, 10-23-2005 13:28:29  
Check under the transmission and look for 4 bosses with 5/8 threads there should be two on each casting going to the rear wheels. IF that is what you have then the rear is a BN. If no tapped holes then someone has added another cast section from an A. Also does the cast sections on both sides of the transmission have ribs on the top these are from an A. The front steering sector is from a B or BN as there are the same. The wide axle and mount is from a C. I would be willing to bet you have a BN with the front axle off a C using the steering sector of the BN.

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Rhody

10-24-2005 11:40:30




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to gene bender, 10-24-2005 01:57:47  
Yes, you are correct on all of the above. I did more digging and it is definetly a BN with a C front end. Some time in the past, the seat supports had been mixed up. I talked to dad about all of this, and he said that he had an A with tricycle gear and 2 BN's with the wide conversion. He left the A with his friend who used it to bale hay, late 40's early 50's. He was a row crop farmer and liked the wide conversion for his applications.

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Rhody

10-23-2005 17:00:48




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to Rhody, 10-23-2005 13:28:29  
I talked to my father who bought the tractor around 1950, and he thinks it's a BN. I measured the rear track and it's 56". Brian's Farmall page indicates that it's a BN width.

It's that darn tag.



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Billde

10-23-2005 16:51:20




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to Rhody, 10-23-2005 13:28:29  
You should be able to cross check serial# and engine#



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Billde

10-23-2005 16:46:38




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to Rhody, 10-23-2005 13:28:29  
Well, that is definitely a C front end. I would say it is a BN with an A left seat support. If it's an A, both rear axles&housings have been changed.



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big fred

10-23-2005 14:48:44




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to Rhody, 10-23-2005 13:28:29  
Looks to me like you got a B with an A serial number tag and a C front end.



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Josh H

10-23-2005 15:11:58




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to big fred, 10-23-2005 14:48:44  
The rear end is from a BN or it could be an A with a BN axle added to the other side. The front axle looks like its from a C. Not a factory job, but probably still a decent tractor.



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Red Dave

10-23-2005 14:47:28




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to Rhody, 10-23-2005 13:28:29  
Pic #1 looks like a BN that somebody has cobbled up a wide front end onto it. It also could be an A that somebody stuck the left-side differential shaft & housing from a BN on, and also cobbled up a wide front end onto it.

The front axle looks like it might belong on a C. It's sure not from an A, B or BN.



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Buzzman72

10-23-2005 14:47:01




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to Rhody, 10-23-2005 13:28:29  
If I recall correctly, the steering shaft on the C goes down the LEFT side of the block, with a couple of U-joints, and it runs parallel to the clutch housing until the U-joint at which it turns and runs at about a 45-degree andle alongside the Touch-Control hydraulic unit.

What you have appears to be an A, to which somebody just added the axle and extension housing from a B...that's just my guess, but I bet I'm not far off.

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sammy the RED

10-23-2005 13:46:22




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to Rhody, 10-23-2005 13:28:29  
The "B" had a narrow front end.



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Farmall Teen

10-23-2005 17:59:30




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to sammy the RED, 10-23-2005 13:46:22  
Yes the narrow front end was standerd, but you could buy a wide front end for it.

Farmall Teen



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CNKS

10-23-2005 19:30:01




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to Farmall Teen, 10-23-2005 17:59:30  
No you couldn't.



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Rhody

10-23-2005 13:57:55




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to sammy the RED, 10-23-2005 13:46:22  
That's the standard according to tractor data.com.

Which is why I'm asking the question as to options that may or maynot have been done.



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old

10-23-2005 13:37:34




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to Rhody, 10-23-2005 13:28:29  
Well the tag says A and it doesn't look like its under the seat as it would be on a B so you probably have an A.



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Rhody

10-23-2005 13:54:54




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to old, 10-23-2005 13:37:34  
Tag is under the seat, I fliped the seat to take the pic.

Just remember, the A has an offset engine and steering. This tractor doesn't.

I know what tractor data says about the A and B. But I have something different than what they indicate. I had two of these at one time.



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Nat

10-23-2005 18:13:04




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to Rhody, 10-23-2005 13:54:54  
Whatever it is, it's a MUTT, period, end of discussion. It's some combination of parts, not a production tractor.

The serial number under the seat will tell you exactly what it WAS originally, but now, it's a combination of A, B, and C parts put together to make a rather unique contraption.

Regardless of what you think, that is definitely a C front end. I've seen Bs with A front ends on them, and they don't look like that. The center pivot on an A is offset to the right of the engine. This one is centered. That's a C front end... Maybe they did some custom work to the casting?

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Nat

10-23-2005 18:18:59




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 Re: Farmall A or is it a B in reply to Nat, 10-23-2005 18:13:04  
I just looked up some pictures of Farmall As on google, and I was right. The center pivot is offset to the right of the engine on a true Farmall A. That is DEFINITELY a C wide front end, without a doubt.

Can you get some detail pictures of the setup, especially underneath?



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