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How to remove the oil guage

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fenton

10-21-2005 06:12:42




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Does anyone know how to remove the oil guage on my Farmall A? I'm not sure it works 100% as the needle only goes part way in the white when running, say one third of the way to center and it should be dead center at 100 rpms above idle speed according to the owners guide. If it's not working can I do something to it to make it work better or do I need a new one? Could the oil pump be clogged with sludge making for low pressure? I just changed to a detergent oil so if the pump is dirty I'm hoping the new oil will unglog it, not sure. Thanks for any help, Don

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El Toro

10-22-2005 15:26:35




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 Re: How to remove the oil guage in reply to fenton, 10-21-2005 06:12:42  
Did you ever remove the old gauge? Hal
There's probably another pipe plug on that filter housing and you could install a new gauge in there and then compare the readings.



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borde

10-21-2005 16:06:11




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 Re: How to remove the oil guage in reply to fenton, 10-21-2005 06:12:42  
changing from reg oil to detergent baddd idea lots of sludge in an old engine
do you won't all that stuff to go thu your bearings?
i've had the pleasure



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El Toro

10-21-2005 07:40:44




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 Re: How to remove the oil guage in reply to fenton, 10-21-2005 06:12:42  
I would have agree with Bob & the Vet. You should use some plasti-gage to determine your bearing clearances. If it's only worn a few thousands beyond specs you can install .002" undersize bearings.

On the other hand if the engine is sludged up you may be better off to pull the engine and have it degreased. Those blocks don't have cam bearings,
but your local auto machine shop can check your crankshaft for wear and determine if it needs to
be ground undersize. If you go to all that trouble I would install a new sleeve & piston kit
too. Hal

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fenton

10-21-2005 07:59:46




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 Re: How to remove the oil guage in reply to El Toro, 10-21-2005 07:40:44  
Hal, I don't think it's sludge for the reason that when I changed the oil I stuck my finger up into the drain hole and was surprised how little gunk was in the low area. Now I know thats not a sure clue but it was reletivly clean, not much if any, so I'm thinking it's just a guage problem. That would be the best outcome...going into engine rebuilds is not what I want to have to do. I'm using it to plow a short driveway this winter so very minimal use so a tired engine, if that's what it is will have to do for now.

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El Toro

10-21-2005 08:04:21




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 Re: How to remove the oil guage in reply to fenton, 10-21-2005 07:59:46  
Those engines need to be worked to get the engine up to operating temp. Short runs is what kills an engine, the same is for your car engine. Need to run the Interstate and blow out the carbon
once in awhile. Hal



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fenton

10-21-2005 08:22:03




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 Re: How to remove the oil guage in reply to El Toro, 10-21-2005 08:04:21  
I agree Hal....it sat for three years....each day I run her she seems to get better and QUIETER! I think with time, I'll clear out all the cob webs.



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Bob M

10-21-2005 07:26:36




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 Re: How to remove the oil guage in reply to fenton, 10-21-2005 06:12:42  
My experience is mechanical oil gages will fail either of two ways: 1 – They indicate HIGHER pressure than actual (and usually the gage hand does not return to 0 when shut down) . 2 – They fail to indicate at all (accompanied usually with the gage face filling up with oil). I have never encountered one that reads lower than actual, though I suppose it is possible.

Gage replacement is simple – just unscrew the old one and screw in the new. Like Hal says there should be a square wrench flat on the nipple to turn it with. (Don’t turn it by grabbing the OD of the gage with big pliers or a pipe wrench – you may regret it later!)

Tip: Before installing the new gage check it against a known accurate gage using air pressure. I’ve found that gages from Tisco, AutoZone, etc. generally don’t begin move move off “0” until the actual pressure is about 5 – 7 psi. And they read lower than actual until pressure reaches about 20 psi actual.

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Low oil pressure can be caused by several things – and usually is a combination of things. Could be as simple as sludge clogging up the pump suction screen. (Not uncommon when non-detergent oil has been used for many years). Oil pump wear is another. But most often the cause is worn main, rod and cam bearings.

I’d first drop the pan to and clean the pump screen and bottom of the pan (an easy job – all you need is new pan gasket).

Sometimes you’ll find the oil pump gasket gets partially blown out or the pump cover is slightly warped. Again not a difficult job to disassemble and replace the pump gasket once the pan’s off.

Bearings get a little more complicated. Mains and rod bearings can be replaced from below after dropping the pan. Cam bearings however require disassembly of the engine.

One other “fix” that works for lightly used (i.e. show and parade) tractors with low oil pressure: Change to 15W-40 oil. It flows easily enough for good cold starting, yet it’s high temperature viscosity helps maintain higher oil pressures when warm.

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El Toro

10-21-2005 06:40:18




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 Re: How to remove the oil guage in reply to fenton, 10-21-2005 06:12:42  
Isn't that gauge threaded into a pipe fitting? I don't think copper tubing is connected to the gauge as it is on the H. There may be a square shoulder on that gauge that you can use a wrench
on to remove the gauge. The gauge needs to be turned counter-clockwise in order to remove it.

You should have a calibrated gauge to see what your pressure is. Using that deterrgent oil may have remove some of the sludge from within the engine. That may have circulated into the oil passages on your engine. I would change that oil more often to drain out some of that sludge.

Hal

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fenton

10-21-2005 07:02:25




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 Re: How to remove the oil guage in reply to El Toro, 10-21-2005 06:40:18  
Hey Hal, the guage was that way before I ran the detergent oil so I'm thinking it might just be the guage. If it's gunked up I'm wondering if I can try cleaning it out with kerosene before buying a new one, not sure if that will help, but it's worth a try, don't you think?



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El Toro

10-21-2005 07:24:51




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 Re: How to remove the oil guage in reply to fenton, 10-21-2005 07:02:25  
Once you get the gauge off you can spray it with a can of brake parts cleaner. Just spray the gauge orfice to cleanse and oil, sludge or dirt.
Then you should be able to inspect it closer after you have cleaned it. Once you have it cleaned you can reinstall the gauge and see if that makes any difference. Hal
PS: I doubt it.



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fenton

10-21-2005 07:36:35




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 Re: How to remove the oil guage in reply to El Toro, 10-21-2005 07:24:51  

I guess I'll start by trying to clean the guage...then replace. Go from there if they fail.



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the tractor vet

10-21-2005 06:37:03




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 Re: How to remove the oil guage in reply to fenton, 10-21-2005 06:12:42  
Just remove it and replace it but i do not think it is a gauge problem more like mains and rods and cam bearings and maybe just maybe and oil pump. The tractor was probably used tomuch when it was new.



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