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46 ih bailer knotter assembly

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casper

10-19-2005 18:11:59




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need manual [repair] and a good set of knotters,if they ever made any ,hard to locate




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Al-VA

10-19-2005 20:33:57




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 Re: 46 ih bailer knotter assembly in reply to casper, 10-19-2005 18:11:59  
I owned a 46 baler and they are a fine baler including the knotter. Just go by the book and adjust and keep rust off the knotter.



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JB2

10-19-2005 20:27:34




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 Re: 46 ih bailer knotter assembly in reply to casper, 10-19-2005 18:11:59  
Hi Casper, if you are not a knotter expert, I would sell the IH 46 for scrap. The 46 was a much improved baler over the 45 but the knotters still required skilled TLC to keep them running 100%. The 46 had the best pickup and hay capacity for the mid sized baler 40 years ago but it had the worst knotter. JD and NH were 100 times better knotter. The problem was the IH knotters tied a bow knot and the JD and NH only did a simple knot, so IH was much more complicated and everything had to be perfect to tie the bow properly.

My 2 cents from someone that rode on the twine boxes of a 45 tiing the missed bales and then worked on a 46 knotters for many years.

JB2

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Mike S 806/H

10-22-2005 21:04:54




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 Re: 46 ih bailer knotter assembly in reply to JB2, 10-19-2005 20:27:34  
I wouldnt say scrap it! I just bought a 45 and I was told to scrap it and from what I read on here I didnt think it would work good, I cleaned up the knotters and adjusted them as the manuals said to I have a 45 and 46 manual, and with one field adjustment (removed two shims) and it worked great! not a missed bale 155 bales went through it.



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JB2

10-19-2005 20:21:31




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 Re: 46 ih bailer knotter assembly in reply to casper, 10-19-2005 18:11:59  
Hi Casper, if you are not a knotter expert, I would sell the IH 46 for scrap. The 46 was a much improved baler over the 45 but the knotters still required skilled TLC to keep them running 100%. The 46 had the best pickup and hay capacity for the mid sized baler 40 years ago but it had the worst knotter. JD and NH were 100 times better knotter. The problem was the IH knotters tied a bow knot and the JD and NH only did a simple knot, so IH was much more complicated and everything had to be perfect to tie the bow properly.

My 2 cents from someone that rode on the twine boxes of a 45 tiing the missed bales and then worked on a 46 knotters for many years.

JB2

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Evan350

10-19-2005 22:22:55




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 Re: 46 ih bailer knotter assembly in reply to JB2, 10-19-2005 20:21:31  
I wouldn"t say the IH knotters were more complicated mechanically, just a bit fussy about the adjustments. The JD/NH knotters actually has more moving parts, because it has the little arm that sweeps the knot off the billhook during the cycle. The IH knotters used the movement of the hay through the chamber to pull the knots off.



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Karl Hamson

10-20-2005 08:11:02




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 Re: 46 ih bailer knotter assembly in reply to Evan350, 10-19-2005 22:22:55  
The 46 is good baler but the guys are right, the knotters must be adjusted correctly. I found that the most critical things are that the twine knife must be razor sharp and set at the correct distance (5/16 I think) from the twine disc. They also work a lot better when run at the recommended speed or 68-75 strokes a minute. The operators manual is very good for troubleshooting the knotters.



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