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Brian Schmidt

10-15-2005 21:37:00




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This is a little off topic, but how many of you run across the scales with a big gooseneck trailer and a 1 ton truck when hauling multiple tractors? Is there any way around it?




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NDS

10-16-2005 14:22:11




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 Re: OT Over the scales with three tractors on trai in reply to Brian Schmidt, 10-15-2005 21:37:00  
Each state has it's own weight limits on non Interstate roads. The FHWA/DOT controls weights on Interstate system nationwide for weight limits on Interstste system do a Google search for ..23cfr658.17.



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CNKS

10-16-2005 09:18:39




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 Re: OT Over the scales with three tractors on trai in reply to Brian Schmidt, 10-15-2005 21:37:00  
Why do you want to get around it?? If you ever have an accident with an overweight truck/trailer, even if it is not your fault, they will throw the book at you. Best to stay within the limits set by your DOT.



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CNKS

10-16-2005 09:23:27




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 Re: OT Over the scales with three tractors on trai in reply to CNKS, 10-16-2005 09:18:39  
I didn't read your post below. Just make sure you are within the limits of your truck/trailer, and call the state office for whatever state you are towing in -- they will tell you whether you need to stop.



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RustyFarmall

10-16-2005 05:12:43




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 Re: OT Over the scales with three tractors on trai in reply to Brian Schmidt, 10-15-2005 21:37:00  
What is the maximum load rating of your truck, and what is the maximum rating of your trailer? My one ton truck has a GVWR of 11,400 pounds. My trailer is rated at 14,000 pounds, this gives me a Combined GVWR of 24,400 pounds. As long as I do not exceed that weight I do not expect any trouble from the D.O.T., but keep in mind that the truck must be licensed for the weight it is carrying, I have licensed mine for 10 tons, which is a bit shy of what I could legally haul, and would get me in trouble if I exceeded 20,000 pounds.

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Brian Schmidt

10-16-2005 06:38:41




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 Re: OT Over the scales with three tractors on trai in reply to RustyFarmall, 10-16-2005 05:12:43  
I have a 1 ton Chevy Duramax dually and a 32' gooseneck with a rating of 24,000. Dual tire dual axle trailer with load range E tires on truck and trailer. I think I am set up good, just don't know if I have to scale when "not for hire".

I will be hauling most times a 300, H, and Super C and possibly 3 trailer plows.



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MN Scott

10-16-2005 17:01:51




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 Re: OT Over the scales with three tractors on trai in reply to Brian Schmidt, 10-16-2005 06:38:41  
In MN anything over 5 tons must weigh. In MN if your CGVWR is over #26000 you are automatically comercial the only ecception being farm trucks used in state. Makes not differance if you are not for hire or not. As others have stated the best thing to do is contact your state DOT office and they will be happy to inform you of all laws regaurding you truck and trailer.



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RustyFarmall

10-16-2005 08:35:33




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 Re: OT Over the scales with three tractors on trai in reply to Brian Schmidt, 10-16-2005 06:38:41  
It depends on your states laws. The state of Iowa requires all vehicles over 6 tons to go across the scales, irregardless of commercial or private status. The state of Nebraska requires all trucks, including pickup trucks with trailers, to weigh.



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Brian Schmidt

10-16-2005 19:45:08




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 Re: OT Over the scales with three tractors on trai in reply to RustyFarmall, 10-16-2005 08:35:33  
So now what can I expect them to look for when I go through the scales? What kind of documentation are they looking for?



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Hugh MacKay

10-17-2005 05:54:43




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 Re: OT Over the scales with three tractors on trai in reply to Brian Schmidt, 10-16-2005 19:45:08  
Brian: Most of these guys are right on, with truck under roughly 30,000 lbs. gross it depends on the jurisdiction. Heavy trucks, pretty much abide by the same rules across North America.

That may however be changing. Here in Ontario scales personall use to scoff at light trucks wasting their time by pulling into scales. Then all of sudden it was discovered one of the international rental companies had a fleet of 2,000+ trucks in Ontario, 94% of their trucks being picked up on random inspections were unfit for the road. Inspectors were sent out to examine the whole fleet within a week. My understanding is the whole fleet did not look much better.

Discoveries like this only add to agrivation for private owners of light trucks. You can be sure other jurisdictions have noticed this as well. My guess is you would have to check with local authorities almost monthly, as these rules are changing fast. The States and Provinces having spent 25 years getting the heavy truck rules standardized, now have the communication network in place to deal with just about any problem, and do it quickly.

I know one Province here in Canada is calling for every truck over 3,200Kg. or 7,000lbs. gross be subject to crossing scales and randon inspections. That is little more than a 3/4 pickup with 1,500 lbs.in back. I think that is a bit much, but who knows what bureauacrats will do with it. Add to that discoveries such as was discovered in Ontario, much of that fleet being single wheel vans.

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Hugh MacKay

10-16-2005 02:31:15




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 Re: OT Over the scales with three tractors on trai in reply to Brian Schmidt, 10-15-2005 21:37:00  
Brian: Depends quite a bit on size of tractors. DOT looks at a number of factors; registered weight of the combination, individual axle weights, also ratings for vehicle and tires. That tire rating is a big one with most of them, especially with lighter trucks. If folks arn't usually hauling a lot of weight they tend to use cheaper tires. Here in Canada and I expect it is the same State side every tire is stamped with a load rating in lbs. If you exceed that rating, they don't take kindly to you.

I say this as, having driven heavy truck trailer combinations, I can't remember ever being checked for tire ratings. On the farm I had a 70 series Chevy single axle tractor with 40' low bed, and over the years a couple of 20 series pickups with an 18' bumper hitch trailer. With either of those combinations, and if I was anywhere near registered or rated weight, I could almost count on them coming out to inspect my tires.

I think this is a good policy on their part. Over the years I have hauled a few loads both on light and heavy trucks, whereby tire rating were exceeded. It is not a very comfortable feeling, as it will cause control problems. It can happen on one axle particularly hauling equipment. You put the heavy tractor in the wrong place.

I remember one night loading my 1066 and 656 on Chevy C-70. Normally I would have put 1066 on front, however 1066 was coming off 10 miles before 656 so it went on back. Scale guy said my trailer tires were over loaded, either I correct it or I couldn't continue. I could leave one tractor at scales. I had crossed numerous times with 1066 on front and 656 behind, so I unloaded both and put them other way. He reweighed me and let me go, no fines either. My gooseneck was such that tractors couldn't be put up there. Scale guy did point out that had tractors been ahead about 18" would have made the difference.

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