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Easy

10-06-2005 17:43:03




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How do I determine if the ampere gauge is working on the tractor? Is there a test method? Do they fail often?




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Bob M

10-07-2005 05:54:30




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 Re: Check Ampere Gauge in reply to Easy, 10-06-2005 17:43:03  
Ammeters fail frequently - and unpredicatably - as outlined below. However I've seen them work filled with water, with the glass broken and the hand all bent, etc. And I've seen pristine looking meters not work on account of a hand stuck.

A quick mechanical test for the ammeter movement is bring magnet close to the meter face. If you find certain orientations of the magnet that cause the ammeter hand to move either direction from "0", the hand is not stuck.

Electrically it's highly unlikely circuit thru an ammeter will go "open circuit" - it's simply a heavy copper strap connecting the two terminal posts. About the only thing that can cause it to go open is a direct hit by lighting or a ham-handed mechanic twisting a terminal off.

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Hugh MacKay

10-07-2005 00:21:15




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 Re: Check Ampere Gauge in reply to Easy, 10-06-2005 17:43:03  
Easy: I've had about 3 maybe 4 ampmeters fail in the past 45 years, and by fail I mean went to the point tractor quit or wouldn't start. I've also seen several others as John describes rusted, full of water, damaged, etc. but tractor continued to function without the gauge working. Once my Farmall 130 operated for several months with glass broken and dial physically damaged from same object that broke glass. The offsets were bad for this as people tended to carry objects between gear shift and fender.

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John T

10-06-2005 19:43:20




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 Re: Check Ampere Gauge in reply to Easy, 10-06-2005 17:43:03  
Easy, Ive seen a lot of them that dont fail electrically but fail cuz of moisture or rust or corrosion making the needles stick. If the tractors not running and you turn on the lights and ignition, they ought to swing over in the - discharge direction.

Does your needle ever move at all????? ??

Does light tapping on it make it move at all???

I cant really recommend this lol but if one had a light gauge like No. 20 or so wire attached to its Load (NOT side to battery/starter) terminal and scratched its bare end to frame ground, the needle sure ought to swing over in the - discharge direction as that wire sparks or else the meter is shot or stuck. Its safer if you attached a load like a light etc to the ammeters laod side to see if the needle ever moves to - discharge as it should.

An ammeter is like a short circuit almost, if its wired right, the Supply side (to battery/starter) ought to read hot battery voltage and likewise UNLESS THE METER IS BAD/OPEN its other Load terminal must also read hot battery voltage (or else its open n bad)

Even if its mechanically stuck (often the case) the charging system can still charge the battery unless the meter is bad/open (rarer). If the lights get brighter from idle to wide open throttle shes charging. Likewise, if the battery rises in voltage from 12.6 to 13 to 14 (half that on a 6 volt battery) as the engine is revved up, shes charging okay even if the needles stuck.

I seldom see then become a bad open circuit, but Ive seen a lot of them with stuck needles from rust or water or corrosion.

John T Nordhoff in Indiana, retired electrical engineer

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jfp

10-06-2005 18:06:58




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 Re: Check Ampere Gauge in reply to Easy, 10-06-2005 17:43:03  
On a M farmall it should read about one needle width to the positive side of zero. On a volt meter that reads numbers (12 volt system) it should read from 12 to 14 even 16 volts in some cases providing that all the connections are good. Very rare do they get bad but it does happen just consider the age of it. You did not say what it is on so that is all the help I can give.



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Easy

10-06-2005 18:21:38




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 Re: Check Ampere Gauge in reply to jfp, 10-06-2005 18:06:58  
It is on a Farmall CUB.



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Nat

10-06-2005 20:29:34




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 Re: Check Ampere Gauge in reply to Easy, 10-06-2005 18:21:38  
Quite simply, the needle should move to the right of center while the tractor is running, and to the left of center when the tractor is not running. There's no set amount of needle movement for each specific tractor, contrary to what some people would have you believe. The charging systems are essentially the same on all these Farmalls, and the amount the needle moves depends on many variables:

1. How much load is on the electrical system (lights, etc.).
2. How good the charging system is (generator and regulator, or alternator).
3. The condition of the battery, or how much you had to crank the tractor to get it running (a weak battery will cause the needle to move farther to the right while the tractor is running).

In a nutshell, if it moves to the right when the tractor is running, it's working fine.

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