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Josh Johnson

10-04-2005 18:52:16




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I have a M Farmall that will not start. When you turn the engine over it will only backfire through the carburetor. There is spark to the plugs and fuel is getting to the carb. What do I do?




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El Toro

10-07-2005 19:19:11




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Josh Johnson, 10-04-2005 18:52:16  
Did you ever get your tractor started? Hal



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Janicholson

10-05-2005 06:48:28




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Josh Johnson, 10-04-2005 18:52:16  
First item: is it a mag or dist./coil If it is a mag and the mag was partially disassembled while on the tractor, then the mag may get out of time internally.

If it is Dist./coil ignition, turning it with the cap off cannot possibly cause timing changes. there is nothing changing. The following assumes Dist./coil ign., and that the distributor has not been pulled out.

Set the points by turning the engine till the point rubbing block is on the very top of one of the lobes of the point cam. (.020)

As described put the engine on #1 tdc (front cyl) and align the crank timing marks.

With ign sw off, put an ohm meter between ground and the distributor terminal (nut and insulator) that gos to the coil. With the dist. mount bolts just loose enough to turn the dist. housing, rotate the dist. both ways. You will note the ohm meter changing from zero ohms to open circuit (full scale change). The points are opening and closing. Tighten the dist. retaining bolts just at that point when the meter changes to open circuit (infinite ohms). This sets the points to break at the exact moment the timing (on the crank) calls for it.

The rotor will now be pointing toward #1 cyl (no matter where it is pointing on the "clock" __note this position in your head. Place the rotor and cap on the dist. Note there may be a plastic dust partition under rotor. Poke the #1 wire in the noted hole, then #3 in the next hole in the direction of rotation, then #4, then #2.

Start the tractor (in neutral) and enjoy.

Good luck JimN

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wh

10-05-2005 06:04:21




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 TRY - - - - in reply to Josh Johnson, 10-04-2005 18:52:16  
putting your old condenser back in. Also, be sure your carb is letting gas get thru. worked on a neighbors tractor that "just quit" one time for most of a day. he had already changed plugs, points when he called me. had used/mixed some old parts he had taken off before when running and some new parts. i finally ha dhim describe how it quit. said it acted just like it was running out of gas. had 1/2 tank. took carb off and found the needle stuck closed.

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wh

10-05-2005 06:01:33




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 TRY - - - - in reply to Josh Johnson, 10-04-2005 18:52:16  
putting your old condenser back in.



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El Toro

10-05-2005 04:19:35




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Josh Johnson, 10-04-2005 18:52:16  
Check your plug wires to see if they're crossed
as I described earlier. Hal



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El Toro

10-04-2005 19:08:51




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Josh Johnson, 10-04-2005 18:52:16  
Are the plug wires connected correctly? The firing order is 1-3-4-2 and if the rotor turns CW
and No1 plug near the radiator the plug wires on your cap should be installed in this order. Hal
2-1
4-3 or if the rotor turns CCW in this order below

1-2 PS: Sounds like the wires are crossed.
3-4



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Josh Johnson

10-04-2005 19:23:06




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to El Toro, 10-04-2005 19:08:51  
How do you find TDC?



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El Toro

10-05-2005 04:12:05




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Josh Johnson, 10-04-2005 19:23:06  
To find TDC you need to remove No1 sparkplug near
the radiator. Have someone hand crank the engine while you hold your thumb over the plug hole. Once you feel compression against your thumb stop cranking and look for the notch in your damper pulley. My manual says to use the first notch, but it may only have one notch.
Keep cranking the engine slowly until the notch
in aligned with the pointer. This is TDC for No1 piston. You should have felt pressure against
your thumb when doing this.

Don't move the engine once it's at TDC and remove the distributor cap and see where the rotor is pointing. It should be pointing to No1 plug wire.
If it is your distributor is in time. If it is off gently remove the the distributor and position the metal tip end of the rotor at No1
Plug and reinstall the distr. make sure it's at
No1 after you reinstall before turning the engine.

Have you checked your plug wires they may be just crossed. No1 plug wire should be at 1 o'clock on the cap and going CW the next wire should go to No3, then 4 and 2. No1 plug is near the rad and
No4 is at the rear of the engine. Hal

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Bob

10-04-2005 18:57:40




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Josh Johnson, 10-04-2005 18:52:16  
Was it running, and just quit, or has it sat unused for a long time?

Likely causes could range from a stuck valve(s) to someone messing with the firing order... rearranging the spark plug wires.



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Josh Johnson

10-04-2005 19:01:48




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Bob, 10-04-2005 18:57:40  
The tractor had been running a couple weeks ago. I rebuilt the carburetor and put a new condenser and points in. I do believe the firing order is correct.



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Farmall_Ryan

10-04-2005 19:34:04




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Josh Johnson, 10-04-2005 19:01:48  
When you put the new points in did you have to turn the engine over in order to get the cam at its high spot? If so you're probably 180 degrees out of time.



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Farmall_Ryan

10-04-2005 19:31:33




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Josh Johnson, 10-04-2005 19:01:48  
You say you put new points in. When you gapped the new points did you have to turn the engine over in order to get the cam at its high point? If you turn the engine while the breaker chamber is open, you can get it out of time by 180 degrees.



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Van in AR

10-04-2005 21:05:25




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Farmall_Ryan, 10-04-2005 19:31:33  
What kind of fairy tale is that? Shouldn't it start with "Once upon a time" Never heard of such BS, you would have to remove the distributor and crank the engine to be 180 out on a engine that was already in running condition.
Van



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Farmall_Ryan

10-04-2005 21:11:22




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Van in AR, 10-04-2005 21:05:25  
It happened on my M. I removed the distributor cover and opened the breaker chamber on the magneto to replace the points. When I installed the new points I had to crank the engine over to get the breaker arm cam on its high spot so I could gap the points. I reinstalled the breaker chamber cover and the distributor, and it was out of time. It can happen.



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JohnM

10-05-2005 03:19:54




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Farmall_Ryan, 10-04-2005 21:11:22  
OK,If you say so!



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Josh Johnson

10-04-2005 19:36:51




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Farmall_Ryan, 10-04-2005 19:31:33  
How do I fix that?



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Farmall_Ryan

10-04-2005 21:16:31




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Josh Johnson, 10-04-2005 19:36:51  
At the time I was having trouble understanding what the manual said to do in order to get it back in time. I opened the chamber back up and cranked the engine by hand until the #1 cylinder was at TDC and the timing mark was on the first notch. I then put the breaker chamber back on and checked that the rotor pointed to the #1 wire on the cap. It did, so I was all set.



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Laurie23

10-05-2005 12:21:32




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Farmall_Ryan, 10-04-2005 21:16:31  
Hey Ryan.

I have a Farmall M too, I noticed you were talking
about a manual. Could you give me the name of that manual and maybe author or publisher or where to find it. Someone told me to look on this site's home page and click on manuals, but there were a ton to choose from.

We are trying to figure out some similar issues with our Farmall M that we inherited from my husband's parents. We want to be self-sufficient and try to fix this tractor ourselves and think we are mechanically inclined enough to do so if we had some instruction. Any help would be great! : ) Thanks!

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Farmall_Ryan

10-05-2005 12:45:07




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 Re: M farmall Starting Problems in reply to Laurie23, 10-05-2005 12:21:32  
I purchased my manuals from binderbooks. You can place an order online or call them at 503-684-2024.

If you go to their webiste you can find the manuals by clicking on "IH Letter Series Tractors" under the manuals and brochures category on the left hand side.

Depending on what you plan on doing to your tractor there are a variety of manuals available. Most commonly people at least buy the operators manual and the service manual. The combination of these two manuals will tell you what you need to know about maintenance, fluid capacities, controls, service, etc. If you find that schematic breakdowns of different parts are helpful to you, then the Parts catalog may be helful as well. This is a fairly large looseleaf packet that shows breakdown diagrams of each and every system on the tractor.

Here are some item numbers to help you out:

1004204 --- Operators Manual
TC-28H --- Parts Catalog
GSS5033 --- Service Manual

An alternative place to buy Manuals is at this site. If you look at the links to the left hand side of the page, it is the very top link under Marketplace. I've never personally tried these manuals, so I can't comment on their quality.

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