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300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex

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Joe Kimbriel

10-03-2005 11:45:22




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I was trying out my box scrapper and the U would spin one wheel when scrapper was loaded. Is there a way to lock up the rear end?




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Nat

10-04-2005 09:21:21




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to Joe Kimbriel, 10-03-2005 11:45:22  
You could pull the transmission cover and weld the spider gears in the differential...

Seriously, if you're spinning, that means you're trying to do too much. Beyond new tires, loaded tires, and 2 sets of standard wheel weights, I wouldn't dare any more traction enhancements. Things start to break at some point.



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TDK

10-03-2005 19:16:11




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to Joe Kimbriel, 10-03-2005 11:45:22  
Joe, I think you answered your own question. With the loader and extra large bucket you'll never have any traction. It would help quite a bit by just removing the bucket. Remove complete loader and you'll see a big difference.



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JB2

10-03-2005 17:08:34




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to Joe Kimbriel, 10-03-2005 11:45:22  
Hi Joe, did you take the locking pin out of the hitch arm so when you lower the blade your not lifting the back wheels off the ground?
When you are using a 2pt attached implement such as plow, disk, harrow or blade the 2 pt locking pin should be out so that the hitch can float with the contour of the ground or anytime a rear wheel drops in a dpression in the ground it will spin as all the weight is transferred to the implement.

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Hugh MacKay

10-03-2005 15:24:44




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to Joe Kimbriel, 10-03-2005 11:45:22  
Joe: That is the legacy of those utility tractors, so much weight out over that front axle, they literally spin on a piece of toilet tissue.



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Aces

10-03-2005 11:49:42




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to Joe Kimbriel, 10-03-2005 11:45:22  
Joe Ya brake that wheel for a bit that is why you have 2 brakes.



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Joe Kimbriel

10-03-2005 16:10:05




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to Aces, 10-03-2005 11:49:42  
You mean that I have to fix the brakes now?



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Hugh MacKay

10-03-2005 16:37:08




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to Joe Kimbriel, 10-03-2005 16:10:05  
Joe: not that this will save you from fixing the brakes, but you might try buying a Farmall 300 parts tractor and doing a conversion. A lot of the Farmall power trains have the crap beat out of them, Yours should have a good power train. That is the main difference between Farmall and a Utility. Farmall had the tires for traction plus good balance for pulling the heavy load, Utility didn't, thus the power train lasted forever.

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K.B.-826

10-03-2005 16:18:40




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to Joe Kimbriel, 10-03-2005 16:10:05  
Yes. Tires filled with fluid and all the wheel weights you can get will also help.



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Joe Kimbriel

10-03-2005 16:46:21




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to K.B.-826, 10-03-2005 16:18:40  
The tires are filled with fluid, but I guess the next thing is wheel weights, and after that is buying a Farmall parts tractor. I am sure the front loader doesn’t help the rear weight problem either.

Thanks,



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PAULIH300

10-03-2005 17:22:38




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to Joe Kimbriel, 10-03-2005 16:46:21  
My 300U has Fast Hitch load platform arms that I have a 55 gallon drum full of concrete chained to it,and even that isnt enough in the snow to move thru any snow to speak of.Its almost to the point that you could never add enough weight to the back (with loader on the front) to counterbalance the nose.IH stated in 300/350U ads that they were built with more built-in rear weight for better traction than other utility tractors (Ford N)....seems that extra added weight was needed just to make them decent performers from the start...without it,they wouldnt be any better than old Barracudas and Challengers in the snow...(a big block F-Body would not move 1 inch when snow was on the ground,with the horrid weight balance,and wide slippery Polyglas tires).

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BillyinStoughton

10-04-2005 14:46:17




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to PAULIH300, 10-03-2005 17:22:38  
Remember one HUGE advantage of the little Ford N"s though, was that any lateral pull on the draw bar put a proportionate amount of weight on the top link of the 3 point hitch...which was located directly over the rear axle (MORE TRACTION!) Harry Ferguson and physics wins that battle.

Remember too, that the more weight you apply to the chassis of that tractor, the more stress you apply. (I.E. the increased traction gained for moving a heavy load will put an additional load on everything from the input shaft of the transmission all the way to the axles of the rear end itself. Just like more power brakes parts, so too does traction versus load.

Good luck!

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Joe Kimbriel

10-03-2005 18:01:20




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to PAULIH300, 10-03-2005 17:22:38  
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I think I'll add 55 gallon drums filled with concret to each wheel. It ought to do something.



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Hugh MacKay

10-04-2005 15:19:59




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to Joe Kimbriel, 10-03-2005 18:01:20  
Joe: Adding wheel weights and calcium chloride do increase traction however the important weight for a front end loader is counter weight. Put in chloride and wheel weights and in addition add a counter weight to the drawbar. The counter weight not only adds weight for traction, it transfers weight from front axle to the rear.

I had a tractor very similar configuration to yours, a Cockshutt 540 with about same size loader. Believe me the barrel of concrete on the hitch made a huge difference. Mine was 3 point thus I added attachments for 3 point cast right into the concrete. You can do the same for fast hitch. Make it quick for putting on or off. When using tractor for jobs other than loader, I'd drop the bucket plus the rear weight. The only advantage I had over yours the Cockshutt had a straight front axle as opposed to the 300 swept back axle.

One mistake was made with those IH and for that matter some other utilities. They should have had two front axle options Swept back for work involving manuverability and a straight axle for loader work. The low utility tractor does have a place in the farm workplace.

Just a note, I did eventually take that big heavy loader off my Cockshutt an mount it on my Farmall 300. The longer wheel base does make a big difference, but I still used the concrete counter weight. I even used the counter weight later on my Farmall 560 with IH 2000 loader. In all these examples I still used wheel weights plus maximum calcium chloride. The wheel weight does give you stability from tipping sideways.

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K.B.-826

10-03-2005 19:41:03




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to Joe Kimbriel, 10-03-2005 18:01:20  
Yeah just remember ya got that thing there when you're backing through the shed doorway or mowing up close to a tree.



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PAULIH300

10-03-2005 19:16:05




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to Joe Kimbriel, 10-03-2005 18:01:20  
Maybe just fill the tires with concrete? I think lead would be a better media than concrete though...but where would you get enough?
Maybe a backhoe attachment should have been standard equipment....that would hold it down....maybe(?)....
I think somebody should come up with a new front axle design that moves the wheels farther forward...(along with longer tie rods ends...to make steering all the worse...).

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Joe Kimbriel

10-05-2005 11:14:27




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 Re: 300U stuck on wet paper Kleenex in reply to PAULIH300, 10-03-2005 19:16:05  
Thanks to all for lots of useful and also entertaining information.



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