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Charles McNelly

10-01-2005 12:21:12




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Has anyone had there block bored to accept larger sleeves than the replacement for the 3 1/8" pistons? I was looking for more ci. Bigger is better kind of thing :)




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Charles McNelly III

10-01-2005 18:34:45




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 Re: c113 engine boring in reply to Charles McNelly III, 10-01-2005 12:21:12  
I know all about the 3.125" piston and sleeve assembly. I was wanting to go to 3.250" or larger. I was wondering about the block being able to support the larger sleeves if I were to have the block cut out. There is a AC "C" that is putting the hurt on the Farmall boys down here in the 2600 lb. and 3100 lb. division 1 farm stock class. I figure with the larger ci. you could lower the rpm's and lug the engine a little more without it stumbling. With the current setup, you just run out of power. Thanks for all the replys.

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Stan(VA).

10-02-2005 18:22:13




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 Re: c113 (or late C-123)engine boring in reply to Charles McNelly III, 10-01-2005 18:34:45  
Yes,
I"ve had two of the C-113 (or late C-123) blocks bored out to accept the 3-1/4" overbore kits. None of the standard automotive machine shops I"ve talked to have the ability to open up the O-ring slot at the same time so I ended up spec"ing out thinner o-rings and use two o-rings for each sleeve. If you have trouble getting the right ones, email me. I"ve already gone through all the T&E and helped one other guy on here last year with them.

I"ve heard of pullers that go quite a bit larger but not without alot of custom machine work and constant problems with leaks after they try to seal the sleeves up with hardblock (or other epoxy).

I wouldn"t recommend trying to turn down the sleeves on an 3-1/4" overbore kit to fit in this motor. You can do the math; 3-5/16" OD at O-ring on sleeve less a 3-1/4" piston bore = 1/16", divided by 2 leaves only 1/32" of material in your sleeve. The original setup was (3-5/16" - 3") / 2 = 5/32" in the sleeve; the overbore kit gives (3-5/16 - 3-1/8) / 2 = 3/32" in the sleeve. That"s as thin as I want to try on the sleeves.
Stan(VA).

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Charles McNelly III

10-02-2005 18:40:02




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 Re: c113 (or late C-123)engine boring in reply to Stan(VA)., 10-02-2005 18:22:13  
Thanks for your input Stan. How long has it been since you installed the thinner o-rings? How much did the machine shop charge to cut out the holes in the block? By chance do you know the difference between stepped head pistons and fire flow pistons? YT didn't know.



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Stan(VA).

10-03-2005 05:03:16




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 Re: c113 (or late C-123)engine boring in reply to Charles McNelly III, 10-02-2005 18:40:02  
The 1st has been together about 2 years, the 2nd I am getting running now (just put it back on the tractor).

Don't recall exact numbers at the shop, wasn't bad though, less work than boring through fixed sleeves (only have an inch or two rather than full length, but setup time is probably the same for them).

The tisco stepped head usually look like a rectangle a quarter inch high on top of the piston. I've seen tru-power pistons advertised on ebay that have more like two smaller squares raised from the rectangle outline. Fire craters are the original IH replacements that are very rounded with two domes and a slight dish in the center. I haven't heard of fire flow pistons. Since you don't know the pin height or volume of the various domes or steps, it's hard to do a comparison unless you have them in your hands.
Stan(VA).

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gene bender

10-01-2005 17:02:45




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 Re: c113 engine boring in reply to Charles McNelly III, 10-01-2005 12:21:12  
You can put the 3 1/8 sleeves and pistons in the 113 block without doing any machine work. This will give you 123cu in and if you go along with the hi-dome pistons get 22hp easy without any other modifications. Some have turned the sleeves and have went with the 3 1/4 bore without touching the block. I have never went with3 1/4 but have put several 3 1/8 kits in.



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Brian Schmidt

10-01-2005 16:40:28




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 Re: c113 engine boring in reply to Charles McNelly III, 10-01-2005 12:21:12  
You can not just drop in the 3 1/8" sleeves as I am sure you are aware. You can bore the block to accept the larger OD, but you will also have to re-cut the o-ring grove in the block. The better way to go is to turn down the OD of the sleeves.



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El Toro

10-01-2005 19:06:10




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 Re: c113 engine boring in reply to Brian Schmidt, 10-01-2005 16:40:28  
You certainly can just drop in those 3 1/8 sleeves
and pistons without any machining. I've did it
and no machining is required. The same is true with the Super C 123 block going from 3 1/8 to 3 1/4" without any machining. I didn't regroove
the block for the sealing ring, it isn't required.
Hal



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Brian Schmidt

10-02-2005 07:39:35




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 Re: c113 engine boring in reply to El Toro, 10-01-2005 19:06:10  
Sorry, I misspoke. I meant you cannot drop in the 3 1/4" without machining or turning the sleeves down. I haven’t heard of anyone stroking one of these, but that would probably help more than an over bore. It would give more torque at the bottom end.



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El Toro

10-01-2005 15:44:49




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 Re: c113 engine boring in reply to Charles McNelly III, 10-01-2005 12:21:12  
You could get a Super C block with the C-123cid block and you can use the 3.250" sleeve and piston kit in that. The Super A has the same engine starting with SN 356002, it has the water pump too. SN 310300 to 356001 have the C-123 engine too, without the pump.

I restored an A and I used the 3.125" kit in that
and it had plenty of power, enough to make the tires slip some pulling a 16-inch moldboard plow in sod. That's with wheel weights and the tires filled. Hal

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Jason(ma)

10-01-2005 14:53:34




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 Re: c113 engine boring in reply to Charles McNelly III, 10-01-2005 12:21:12  
it's a wet sleeve engine, just buy the kit for 3 1/8 and drop them in



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PAULIH300

10-01-2005 12:44:02




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 Re: c113 engine boring in reply to Charles McNelly III, 10-01-2005 12:21:12  
Reading the title made me think the engine was "unexciting"....



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