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OT, wet ear to dry shell corn chart

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Leroy

09-30-2005 18:58:27




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I am going to post this on all boards I visit. Neighbor is going to by my ear corn for cow feed and I need a copy of the conversion chart that the elevators used to use when they were buying ear corn to figure how much a bushel of wet ear corn would convert to as dry shelled corn to figure out what the price should be.




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CNKS

10-02-2005 11:12:29




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 Re: OT, wet ear to dry shell corn chart in reply to Leroy, 09-30-2005 18:58:27  
I don't remember the formula that accounts for the cob. That is called shelling percentage, and will vary according to the hybrid -- I suppose there is some standard formula. As to moisture of the grain, corrected to the standard 15.5%, the calcualtion is similar to what Hugh used. For grain %M only it is (1-%M)/0.845 times the wet weight. Thus for 10000 lbs having 17% moisture, the calculation is 1-0.17/0.845 = 0.982. 0.982*10000= 9820 lbs of dry (15.5%) corn.

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CNKS

10-02-2005 11:19:00




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 Re: OT, wet ear to dry shell corn chart in reply to CNKS, 10-02-2005 11:12:29  
(This is the SAME procedure that Hugh used, worded differently)



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Hugh MacKay

10-02-2005 13:17:00




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 Re: OT, wet ear to dry shell corn chart in reply to CNKS, 10-02-2005 11:19:00  
CNKS: Your right, all depends whether you approach this from a moisture content or a dry matter content point of view.

The item we were advised on 30 years ago was not to try pricing by the bushel as cob will add far greater percentage by volume than by weight. We were advised to use weight in all calculations. The research people involved at the time suggested we could make this calculation so complicated it would be unworkable. What we ended up using was weight of each load and a moisture content sample of ground material from each load. There was a set of truck scales between farms, we had a moisture content tester, thus were able to do this on sight. It was quick, simple and as I said before we both remained friends.

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Hugh MacKay

10-01-2005 02:16:08




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 Re: OT, wet ear to dry shell corn chart in reply to Leroy, 09-30-2005 18:58:27  
Leroy: I grew corn for storage as high moisture ground ear corn. On ocasion I did sell a bit of it right from field, ground and ready for high moisture storage. We weighed the loads of product and calculated the actual weight of 15.5% dry matter material from whatever the actual dry matter was. My buyer and I considered the fact this product was allready ground did add value to the product. At the time research people advised us that considering the factors; savings on drying, product being ground, cob material having real value as cattle feed and the fact cob added very little on a weight basis. If by bushel it adds considerably more. Thus the only factor we considered for value was dry matter conversion.

We were quite satisfied with this arrangment, however bear in mind I was doing the harvesting, grinding and delivery. My customer was getting a Nov price, but he was also porviding the storage. This arrangement went on for roughly 10 years, so we were quite happy with it. It really only ended as I needed all the product myself.

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Leroy

10-01-2005 15:00:06




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 Re: OT, wet ear to dry shell corn chart followup in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-01-2005 02:16:08  
The figure I need to come up with is the same figure I need to report my yields for federal crop insurance so it has to be exact and based on the moisture test



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Hugh MacKay

10-02-2005 03:42:39




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 Re: OT, wet ear to dry shell corn chart followup in reply to Leroy, 10-01-2005 15:00:06  
Leroy: Back when I did the ground ear corn in the 1970s, I harvested the first 3 years using a NH 890 forage harvester equiped with recutter screens fine enough to break all kernels. The harvester was also equiped with a 2 row snapper or combine - picker type head. The problems I encountered with this unit were; couldn't feed enough cobs fast enough to utilize horse power. Also found I was loosing a lot of fines from ground material to the wind.

I then went to a combine with 4 row head. By using cylinder speeds similar to wheat or barley and setting concave at about 3/8", combine would break cob enough that most all went down through seives with grain. We then used the 890 harvester as a stationary grinder, feeding the material to it with self unloading silage wagons. This made far better use of 1066 hp and cut down on the field losses. Had a cleaner product as well.

When it came to selling high moisture ear corn, my customer and I went to the local county Ag people, looking for a fair formula in pricing this product. the formula is actually quite simple . Lbs of actual product X % dry matter divided by .845. .845 being the accepted dry matter content of grain traded on open market. For example a ten ton load, 20,000 lbs, having a moisture content of 25% or 75 % dry matter. gives you 15,000 lbs dry matter divided by .845 equals 17,751.48 lbs of market grain.

I mentioned the benefits for both parties in this deal in my previous post. The Ag people advised at the time corn cob meal was equal to corn grain as cattle feed. My customer got a ground product ready for feeding, he also provided the storage and got a harvest time price on corn. I had a market for corn I did not have room to store, did not have to pay any elevator or drying charges.

I know some folks that still do this, one example involves several hundred ton. They divide the tonnage into 12 and customer pays by the month, but he also pays each months current market price. In my case it never involved a lot of tonnage, just a case of marketing a surplus. It worked well for a lot of years and we remained friends after the deal.

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GordoSD

10-02-2005 03:59:08




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 Re: OT, wet ear to dry shell corn chart followup in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-02-2005 03:42:39  
Maybe MULTIPLY by .845. You ended up with MORE shelled corn than you had dry ear corn.(15,000)

GW



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Hugh MacKay

10-02-2005 06:30:10




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 Re: OT, wet ear to dry shell corn chart followup in reply to GordoSD, 10-02-2005 03:59:08  
Gordon: Think about what I said. 20,000 lbs of 25% moisture product is 15,000 lbs of dry matter and is equal to 17,751.48 lbs of 15.5% moisture product. Adding the moisture will always increase the weight.



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scotty

10-01-2005 05:55:05




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 Re: OT, wet ear to dry shell corn chart in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-01-2005 02:16:08  
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Hugh, I would have to bet you wernt using one of these!

scotty



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