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What Oil to run in a 706D this winter?

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NewToRed

09-29-2005 06:56:45




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Have a 706 282D 1964, Any thoughts on what weight oil should be run while plowing snow this winter?

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Stickler

10-01-2005 06:37:47




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 Re: What Oil to run in a 706D this winter? in reply to NewToRed, 09-29-2005 06:56:45  
My two that get used in winter run 0W30 arctic diesel oil, and have block heaters, battery blankets and hyd sump heaters. It isn't at all uncommon to see -45° here. They'll start in any weather if they're plugged in for a couple hours. If they weren't so expensive I'd have fuel fired coolant heaters on them, a la Wabasto. Lots of semis use them up here. #1 diesel AND additive so the fuel doesn't gel.

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Michael Soldan

09-29-2005 13:46:22




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 Re: What Oil to run in a 706D this winter? in reply to NewToRed, 09-29-2005 06:56:45  
NewtoRed, In the Ontario winters I have experienced we often get -27C in cold snaps. I have a small diesel I use almost daily. I recieved a magnetic block heater from my kids for Christmas one year, I stick it on the oil pan and go and do the chores, when I come back in 45 minutes or so the tractor will fire right up( I use the glow plugs for about 20 seconds). The heater is a handy little gaget from TSC. I use 30 oil in this tractor. The 584 starts without heater, ether etc without fail and I run 15-40 in it for the winter. I blow a lot of snow and the blower can put it on its knees at times, haven't had any problem with multi grade oil. I don't disagree with the other responses, what works for those guys is great, if I had room in the barn with the cattle I'd keep it in there, because it does stay warm. I do have a can of ether, but I haven't used it in a long time...just as well. I find that keeping the battery well charged helps a great deal. I sometimes put a trickle charge on just to ensure full charge. Often the tractor is started and run for a short time and it doesn't get over the drain of glow plugs and starter., thus you get a full 12 volt blast on the glow plugs and a faster turn over of the engine which makes starting all the easier. Sometimes we get fooled when we think batteries are doing their job and they aren't. My neighbour was having starting problems with his 1830 JD, it turned over but just didn't want to start. He decided to put new batteries in it and lo and behold it will fire right up..just was turning over too slowly. Anyway in short , a block heater for an hour will usually fire up a diesel, multi grade oils help( I use a multi grade diesel blend 15-40) I like the magnetic heater as I can use it for other vehicles if we get a cold snap...good luck with your new tractor...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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El Toro

09-29-2005 10:57:10




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 Re: What Oil to run in a 706D this winter? in reply to NewToRed, 09-29-2005 06:56:45  
The Soviets know how to start a vehicle at -65
using those fuel fired coolant heaters and having a shroud around the oil pan to heat the oil.
We tested them and they start like summertime. We tried everything to get the M60 tank started at -25. The GI's in Korea would get one tank running and then back it up against another tank and preheat the engine from the exhaust. I think they would keep one tank idling too. You need to warm those diesels to get them started.Hal

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Sheepdog

09-29-2005 09:41:54




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 Re: What Oil to run in a 706D this winter? in reply to NewToRed, 09-29-2005 06:56:45  
Why does't anyone use 15w-40? I do. 30w is very thick in the colder temps.



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caseyc

09-29-2005 10:45:25




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 Re: What Oil to run in a 706D this winter? in reply to Sheepdog, 09-29-2005 09:41:54  
i've seen too many engines in 06/56/66/86 series go to he!! with multiweight oil. if you just putz around i can see getting by with it but pull a 1066 for 18 hours and you'll find out real fast why you don't use multiweight in a working tractor. the newer magnums are a different story. just what i have seen/heard/been told.

casey



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McDiesel

09-29-2005 09:17:03




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 Re: What Oil to run in a 706D this winter? in reply to NewToRed, 09-29-2005 06:56:45  
I use 10w30 in the winter and 30w in the summer. I start a 806D every day in the winter and its pluged in 24-7. The only thing i run 30w year around in is the skid loader. I keep that in the cow barn where it is warm.



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El Toro

09-29-2005 11:02:30




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 Re: What Oil to run in a 706D this winter? in reply to McDiesel, 09-29-2005 09:17:03  
Most people don't know how warm it is in those cow barns. Those cows standing in straw up to their bellys and chewing their cud. Hal



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McDiesel

09-29-2005 11:23:46




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 Re: What Oil to run in a 706D this winter? in reply to El Toro, 09-29-2005 11:02:30  
Well said El Toro. It dose'nt get any colder than 45 in the barn. When it's -30 outside.



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EL Toro

09-29-2005 12:44:01




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 Re: What Oil to run in a 706D this winter? in reply to McDiesel, 09-29-2005 11:23:46  
The young stock barn wasn't that warm, but the livestock had heavy coats during the winter. Any pregnant cows near their due date were brought over to the cow barn to calve in the boxstall. If they were due in the warm weather we put them in the young stock barn. Not all were young. Hal



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NewToRed

09-29-2005 09:54:51




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 Re: What Oil to run in a 706D this winter? in reply to McDiesel, 09-29-2005 09:17:03  
Do others leave them plugged in 24x7. What are the Pros and Cons of doing that?
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McDiesel

09-29-2005 10:29:54




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 Re: What Oil to run in a 706D this winter? in reply to NewToRed, 09-29-2005 09:54:51  
I leave the 806 pluged in 24-7 cause of emergency situations. For instance if power failur in need a tractor on the generator. When its cold an 806 is'nt going to start with out being pluged in. I start a 300 every day to run the tmr mixer and feed cows. The 300 dosen't have a heater. The 300 is'nt big enough to run the generator. The only bad thing about leaving it pluged in all the time is electric cost. As far as using 15w40 it is to thick when it is -30. 10w30 is even to thick when it's that cold. I use to use 15w40 and did'nt like it.

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caseyc

09-29-2005 07:42:56




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 Re: What Oil to run in a 706D this winter? in reply to NewToRed, 09-29-2005 06:56:45  
if i have a way to get it warm before start-up ie block heater, coolant heater or heated shop i use 30W. if i can't "warm" it up first i use 10W. my 706 doesn't have a heater so it gets 10W in the winter, 30W in summer. all the rest of my tractors have heaters so it's 30W year round.

casey



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Weldon

09-29-2005 07:40:34




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 Re: What Oil to run in a 706D this winter? in reply to NewToRed, 09-29-2005 06:56:45  
Perhaps some one can e-mail you a page from their 706 operator's manual. My operator's manual for a 504 (188 cu. in. 4 cylinder version of the 282 cu. in. 6 cylinder engine) shows: above +45°F-----SAE 30 +45°F to +10°F---SAE 10W +10°F to -10°F---SAE 10W w/ 1/2 qt. kerosene ( which is about 8 % of oil volume) I've never run anything other than SAE 30, but then it rarely gets colder than +15° here.

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El Toro

09-29-2005 07:32:56




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 Re: What Oil to run in a 706D this winter? in reply to NewToRed, 09-29-2005 06:56:45  
If you're using 30wt I would stick with that and use a block heater to preheat that engine. I would use a fuel to prevent waxing too. The military uses DFA for cold weather. At -50 degrees it looks like good beer pee and doesn't wax. Hal
PS: It won't be long you will be needing that snowblade.



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