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how much do we really love our tractors?

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caseyc

09-18-2005 19:39:05




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i'm just sitting here tonight watching a severe storm roll in. you know, wind, hail, tornados, the whole nine yards! my wife makes the comment, "i spose your tractors are all put away in the barn and shop so we can't put our vehicles in so they don't get damaged?" sorry was all i could say! we're in the process of building a garage for the vehicles but it's not done yet. i love my vehicles, their all red, but the tractors are just more important!

how bout the rest of you?

casey in SD

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MACE

09-23-2005 16:42:15




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to caseyc, 09-18-2005 19:39:05  
My tractors stay in the garage along with the wifes car. My truck stays outside.

MACE



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Torkenson

09-19-2005 08:21:37




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to caseyc, 09-18-2005 19:39:05  
Let's see. $30000 truck or $1800 tractor.
Sorry, I gotta do the math and the tractor stays out in the yard with the dog.



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Glenn F.

09-19-2005 07:57:35




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to caseyc, 09-18-2005 19:39:05  
My tractors are always inside. You don't see well cared for machinery outside up here. Glenn F. (NE WI)



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John in Ne.

09-19-2005 07:00:01




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to caseyc, 09-18-2005 19:39:05  
I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. I've got room for both cars and my pickup in the garage and for all four teactors in my barn (shop) its only 28 x 34 and it can get crowded when one is stretched out over 20 ft.but thats when its fun.My wifes car will not set out at nite.She has to be at work at 5:00 am at USPS and I don't want her getting into a car with frosted windows and such. John.



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Jonathan Brown

09-19-2005 07:50:26




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to John in Ne., 09-19-2005 07:00:01  
My grandpa always belived in keeping every thing Inside no matter what. He even lost most of his machinery in a barn fire once. It just taught him to clean the crap off the tractors before he put them away. I can remember many a night when my grandpa would come in from the field and spend an aditional 1/2 hour to an hour or more cleaning the tractor off, then he would put it in the barn. I don't know how my grandpa managed to farm and work a full time factory job. I swear he never slept during harvest season.

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Jim Allen

09-19-2005 06:00:25




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to caseyc, 09-18-2005 19:39:05  
I don't leave my cars outside and I don't leave tools outside either if I can help it. Even though it's a PITA, every piece of equipment I have that will fit inside goes inside with priotrity going to stuff that's most vunerable or expensive. I would think condensation to be more of a problem if the tractor is outside. Imagine it sitting out all night and cold soaking in a 45 degree night. The sun comes out and starts beating on it. That rapid temp change is when condensation is most likely to occur. Inside a building, the temp changes are more gradual. I've never seen a sign of condensation on equipment in my building, but I have seen the fuel tank on my tractor sweating mid morning after it sat out overnight. If it's sweating on the outside, it's sweating on the inside too.

Now what's all this paranoia about tractors catching fire just sitting there? Just can't see that as a likely scenario. Maybe startup on a gas tractor that has leaked fuel or something. Maybe a combine full of chaff, but then if you clean it out once in a while.... Anyway, I plan for the most likely bad-luck scenarios, not for the aliens landing in the back yard. I got insurance for that stuff. I'll plan for aliens too, but if it comes to an "either/or," I'll cover the most likely possibility.

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Allan in NE

09-19-2005 06:26:11




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to Jim Allen, 09-19-2005 06:00:25  
Mornin’ Jim,

You've really never seen a diesel lite off on it's own due to the accumulated field dirt/diesel fuel around that power bus under the left hand cowl?

Wish I could show you the pictures, but the ex-wife has 'em. Luckily, in my case, it happened during the day, I saw the smoke and saved the tractor and shop, but it was not pretty. :>(

Try running a 30-year-old tractor past your insurance adjuster and just try to get forty or fifty cents on the dollar. 'Taint a gonna happen.

Mine stay outside where they belong and you are more than welcome to call it paranoia if ya like.

Allan

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Jim Allen

09-19-2005 07:03:31




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-19-2005 06:26:11  
Hey Allen:
I know it wasn't a pleasant experience for you, but, to me, one such incident doesn't justify leaving equipment outside. If anything, it would teach me to get under there and clean out that chaff on a regular basis! Still, I gotta admit, were I in your shoes, I might do the same. Ultimately we each gotta do what we feel is best.



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Hugh MacKay

09-19-2005 09:35:37




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to Jim Allen, 09-19-2005 07:03:31  
Jim: I farmed for years with no insurance on equipment other than liability to protect me from damage that equipment may do to others. Liability is a very small bill. If you do the economics and I mean straight economics, it is by far less costly to leave those tractors and tillage equipment right outside, than to provide housing plus loss insurance. Big problem with loss insurance in my opinion is you pay dearly for other peoples carelessness.

Did you know that floor temperatures of cab of a 125 hp tractor doing tillage work can reach temperatures of 140 degrees F when its 65 degrees outside. That my friend can create fires long after you leave for the night. You go to those salvage yards, most burnt tractors happened when no one was around and chafed wires were the source. Those last 85 series IH with cabs were fire champions.

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Allan in NE

09-19-2005 07:47:25




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to Jim Allen, 09-19-2005 07:03:31  
Hi Jim,

Yeah, that's fer sure.

But, I'm not the only one this has happened to. Salvage yards are full of fried 06 and up diesels. Very common occurance on these things if they are used a lot for field work.

'Bout like those darned John Deere combines. :>)

However, I understand where you are coming from too. Don't get me wrong; everything in my sensibility tells me to put 'em inside 'cause I've more than enough room and like to keep my stuff nice.

But, I just can't bring myself to do it, because they can and do torch themselves. Like my grandpa's Allis the day it decided to cook itself while he was in eatin' dinner.

Good news was that he got the afternoon off from cultivating corn. :>(

Allan

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Allan in NE

09-19-2005 04:24:50




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to caseyc, 09-18-2005 19:39:05  
Mornin' Casey,

I'm with Hugh on this one as I live smack in the center of the hail/tornado belt.

Farmalls are built so much tougher than the newer sheetwork on cars and trucks that they can withstand the severe weather; they were designed that way and meant to be left outside. Not to mention the fire hazzard of being left in a building.

I would never park a tractor inside but rather keep them separated out and strung all over the yard. I've got way too much invested in 'em to risk them being all huddled up together inside an enclosure.

I can redo a little faded paint every dozen years or so, but I just can't afford to replace those tractors.

As far as the tires go, yes sunlight will work on a tire over a long period of time; but, nothing like the ill effects of inactivity and running them on asphalt. That's the real killers to a tractor tire.

Just my take,

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

09-19-2005 03:16:49




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to caseyc, 09-18-2005 19:39:05  
casey: Storage of vehicles and implements has always been a mixed bag with me. Tractors built since the mid 1960s have been engineered to withstand weather much better than the older ones. Wind, rain and snow will penetrate all of them outside, yet condensation will be much worse in a building. Then there is the building itself, if it doesn't withstand the storm the equipment will fare much better outside. If you have a complete line of tractors and equipment, it takes big dollars today to put a roof over all of it.

During my farming days the first equipment to get storage were power driven implements like balers, haybines, harvesters, combines, etc. I would include grain drills, corn planters, etc in that group as well. Tractors came second and the low priority went to plows, disks, cultivators and other tillage equipment.

Then you have the sun factor, probably does more damage to paint and tires than all other weather combined.

I never put a tractor or implement inside during heavy work load seasons. That is precisely the time for electrical shorts, hot bearings, etc. and the most likely time for a fire. I always figured if a tractor or implement was going to catch fire, you may as well loose one as the whole fleet plus the building. After your heavy work load is over you go over the equipment thouroughly, put it away and remove batteries from vehicles your not going to use. Best to store tractors your going to use in off season in a separate building from other tractors and equipment.

I will relate just a few of my experiences. Had a tractor burn once, poorest one out of fleet of 6 at the time. luckily it burned outside. Had a old barn I used for equipment storage, blow down in a heavy wind, luckily all my haying and other harvesting were out at the time. Only grain drill, corn planter and a fertilizer spreader were in there, even more lucky only one lid on drill and and adjustment crank on fert sp were damaged. Just pure luck on the way that building fell. Saw a neighbor once build a fancy building to store all equipment. One tractor caught fire, and he lost all; 5 tractors, self propelled combine, haying equipment, drill, corn planter, etc. Today he has several buildings and all tractors and tillage equipment sit outside year around. Economics of storage buildings plus insurance costs dictate this.

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Slappy

09-19-2005 02:32:54




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to caseyc, 09-18-2005 19:39:05  
I'm with Easy. My cars will last 7 or 8 years before I have so many miles on them that they are virtually worn out - but those tractors will last my lifetime (and more). Tractors live in the barn, car and truck live outside.



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Easy

09-18-2005 22:14:12




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to caseyc, 09-18-2005 19:39:05  
My tractors are never left outside. My vehicles I consider expendable. Usually they too, are in the garage. Repairs seem lower that way.



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Bob Frey

09-18-2005 20:21:31




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to caseyc, 09-18-2005 19:39:05  
Two cars and the pickup are outside while the old tractors are inside safe and sound. Have building projects in mind but for now the old iron gets the shelter.

Bob



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Brad in WI

09-18-2005 19:48:28




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to caseyc, 09-18-2005 19:39:05  
Up in the northwoods the tractor goes in the garage for the cold, snowy winter months and the car goes outside. Gotta protect the old stuff. It is worth more than the car is. LOL
Brad



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Stickler

09-18-2005 22:27:45




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 Re: how much do we really love our tractors? in reply to Brad in WI, 09-18-2005 19:48:28  
Tractors stay inside in winter. They HAVE to start to clear snow, or the trucks ain't goin' anywhere!



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